Has anyone notice lane centering not centered?

[moose66]

I believe Lane Departure is part of Co-Pilot 360. Lane Centering is part of Co-Pilot 360 Plus which is an option. Except for on the Black Label, where it is standard.

 

[kchis]

They are separate. There is a Lane Departure Warning which is separate from keeping the vehicle centered in its lane. I am not sure if either is optional.

I dont see any mention of lane centering on the Lincoln website. Just Lane Keep Assist. Two diff animals. I dont believe lane centering is available.

LANE KEEPING SYSTEM​

The perfect solution for helping you stay on course. Using specially mounted cameras, your Lincoln constantly monitors lane markings to identify unintentional lane drifting. If detected, you'll be alerted and a corrective steering assist will help you get back on your intended path.

 

[rjabend]

I have it on my BL.

 

[kchis]

I have it on my BL.

Is there a separate button or indication of it on dash? When you go to Compare Models on the Lincoln website there is no mention of lane centering. Most companies that offer it usually point it out - LANE KEEP ASSIST WITH LANE CENTERING +/-. Of course I could be wrong, I just don't see it.

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[rjabend]

Is there a separate button or indication of it on dash? When you go to Compare Models on the Lincoln website there is no mention of lane centering. Most companies that offer it usually point it out - LANE KEEP ASSIST WITH LANE CENTERING +/-. Of course I could be wrong, I just don't see it.

It operates when in cruise control.

 

[moose66]

Is there a separate button or indication of it on dash? When you go to Compare Models on the Lincoln website there is no mention of lane centering. Most companies that offer it usually point it out - LANE KEEP ASSIST WITH LANE CENTERING +/-. Of course I could be wrong, I just don't see it.

Which year and version Aviator do you have?

 

[kchis]

Which year and version Aviator do you have?

I have a 21 Reserve and a 22 Reserve.

 

[moose66]

So you have Lane Keep standard. Lane Centering is part of the Co-Pilot 360 Plus package and was available as a free standing option or part of the equipment collections (i.e 201A, 202A, etc in 2021 and 200A, 201A in 2022.)

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[kchis]

It operates when in cruise control.

When you go into settings is there a line item that shows adjustments for lane centering? Or just lane keep?

 

[kchis]

So you have Lane Keep standard. Lane Centering is part of the Co-Pilot 360 Plus package and was available as a free standing option or part of the equipment collections (i.e 201A, 202A, etc in 2021 and 200A, 201A in 2022.)

Ok I found it. Thought this button was just for LKA. Learn something new every day. Thanks for the help.

Press the Lane Centering button

on your steering wheel.

 

[inmanlanier]

There are two features that are intertwined together described in the owners manual as 'Lane Keeping System' but in advertising literature described as 'Lane Centering'. The internet discussions are a bit confusing because they sometimes describe the passive and active functions interchangeably.

I believe the best way to look at the features is that its a combination of a (passive) warning system and an (active) steering function. You can select to be simply warned (passive) if you are drifting out of the lane (haptics and visuals). In this case the vehicle does not try and help you stay in the center. The other setting allows you to not only be warned, but also for the car to (actively) apply steering torque to try and steer you towards the center of the lane.

I use the setting in our Aviator for both to occur: the passive warnings and the active torque input from the steering box to help nudge me back towards the center of the lane.

Here's the excerpt I have of Lincoln literature discussion while I was deciphering options to know how to order my car:

Lincoln Co-Pilot360™ 1.5 Plus
+ Active Park Assist 2.0
+ 360-Degree Camera with Front Washer
+ Intelligent Adaptive Cruise Control additional features including
Lane Centering, Stop-and-Go, Speed Sign Recognition
+ Evasive Steering Assist
+ Reverse Brake Assist

From the owner's manual it describes these features as part of the LANE KEEPING SYSTEM. They are one and the same (although many describe them as separate features).

In summary... the single Lincoln 'SYSTEM' contains both the passive warning feature and active steering feature. Clear as mud?

 

[peterk9]

I have a 21 Reserve and a 22 Reserve.

It would be helpful if it was added to the My Lincoln field of your profile. SOmetimes features depend upon the trim level on gets.

Peter

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[ChuckL]

This is one aspect of the Aviator that I find very confusing--I don't understand the design choices that led to the implementation. The Aviator has completely separate Lane Keeping and Lane Centering modes. I have had cars that had just Lane Keeping and cars that have had just Lane Centering, but this is the first car that has had both. And the truly strange thing, in my mind, is that Lane Centering is only available when adaptive cruise control is active (not just turned on, but actually active, maintaining speed). I don't understand why Lane Centering would be tied to the cruise being active. This makes no sense to me.

Lane Keeping is enabled and disabled using the button on the end of the turn signal lever. It has Alert and Aid modes, which you can switch between in Settings. Alert just vibrates the wheel when you're crossing the line, while Aid tries to steer you back into the lane you're about to depart (not always successfully).

Lane Centering is enabled and disabled using a button on the right side of the cruise section at the bottom of the steering wheel. But Lane Centering is only active when cruise is active. So if you're in cruise and Lane Centering is on, and the system can find lane markings, it will attempt to keep you centered between the lines. However, if you tap the brake or the Cancel button, Lane Centering immediately turns off, and you're left with Lane Keeping, assuming you have that enabled. If you're in a section of road where using cruise is not feasible (such as a twisty mountain road), you can't have Lane Centering at all.

I often leave Lane Centering off because it has an annoying habit of emitting a warning tone (and showing CANCELLED in the HUD) whenever it loses one of the lane markings (e.g., when the lane markings expand for an accel/decel lane). I get that it has to cancel at times, but I don't need the warning tone--it's not the least bit helpful to me, and it's confusing for passengers. So I find myself driving more and more with Lane Centering off, which is unfortunate because I find the Lane Centering to be quite good.

 

[peterk9]

Hopefully, if you're on a twisting mountain road, you are paying attention to your driving. I don't know if the warning tone can be adjusted or not but it is a good idea to let you know that the cancellation has taken place/ Personally, I'm not at the stage where I need assistance in keeping my vehicle between the lines and don't use either feature.

Peter

 

[stacyann5555]

We're on our third trip of 725 miles both ways, and I have again noticed a bias in the car's centering behavior when on cruise control with the lane centering feature enabled. I noticed it during the first two trips - then the windshield got replaced which prompts a recalibration of the system. On this first leg out of state this 3rd trip - the same occurred. Today I tried a test (1 data point - need to validate with more) - I gently drove over to the right white line, and I noted that right when my mind concluded the tires were at or near the line the steering wheel chattered and the car torqued steering to the left. When slowly going toward the two center lines, however I noted that until I thought I was definitely further over to the left (i.e. onto the left most line) than the prior test, then the steering wheel chattered. On the interstate coming up, I noted that a couple of times it drifted gently to the left part of the lane on gentle right turns to where the tires were riding on the lane dividing reflectors before the system started to act.

So... I believe mine has a bias too far to the left.

Has anyone noticed a bias in your 'centering'? If so, what have you done about it? Does anyone know of or heard of a way to 'calibrate' the device or bias it either way?

I can't imagine trying to explain this to a service advisor so it can be accurately communicated to a tech. They'll likely hook up a test device and say 'it all checks out OK!'

Mine only sort of haphazardly works. I definitely don't count on it.

 

[kchis]

I use mine constantly. It's great for checking emails in stop and go traffic.

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[peterk9]

I use mine constantly. It's great for checking emails in stop and go traffic.

You get ticketed for that here. Distracted driving.

Peter

 

[moose66]

You get ticketed for that here. Distracted driving.

Peter

So would they here in the US! Problem is you have to be seen or wreck for enforcement.

 

[inmanlanier]

There are two features that are intertwined together described in the owners manual as 'Lane Keeping System' but in advertising literature described as 'Lane Centering'. The internet discussions are a bit confusing because they sometimes describe the passive and active functions interchangeably.

I believe the best way to look at the features is that its a combination of a (passive) warning system and an (active) steering function. You can select to be simply warned (passive) if you are drifting out of the lane (haptics and visuals). In this case the vehicle does not try and help you stay in the center. The other setting allows you to not only be warned, but also for the car to (actively) apply steering torque to try and steer you towards the center of the lane.

I use the setting in our Aviator for both to occur: the passive warnings and the active torque input from the steering box to help nudge me back towards the center of the lane.

Here's the excerpt I have of Lincoln literature discussion while I was deciphering options to know how to order my car:

Lincoln Co-Pilot360™ 1.5 Plus
+ Active Park Assist 2.0
+ 360-Degree Camera with Front Washer
+ Intelligent Adaptive Cruise Control additional features including
Lane Centering, Stop-and-Go, Speed Sign Recognition
+ Evasive Steering Assist
+ Reverse Brake Assist

From the owner's manual it describes these features as part of the LANE KEEPING SYSTEM. They are one and the same (although many describe them as separate features).

In summary... the single Lincoln 'SYSTEM' contains both the passive warning feature and active steering feature. Clear as mud?

ChuckL stated something after my post (above) and I wish to thank him. I was misinformed before (IMHO again due to a crappy instruction manual] and on this last trip up to NC learned what he's talking about. I did not give the full accurate story above.

Suffice to say this trip when I realized I had actually turned on lane centering (but not knowing what it was); with my wife reading the manual and me making suggestions - it took a good 10 minutes or so to read the limited discussion and then start testing it to figure out how it works. The poor headers in the TOC did not help.

I'll simply summarize here what he said and then add my additional notes.

There are two separate features in these cars: Lane Keep Assist and Lane Centering. Lane Centering is only going to work if you have the adaptive cruise control (an option I selected in my reserve that was included in the Co-Pilot 360 1.5+ option). The manual does a crap job talking about them (they should both IMHO be discussed together in the manual).

Lane Keep Assist provides (as I stated above) modest torque to the steering wheel to try and keep you from leaving the lane. It is activated by the button on the end of the left turn stalk. It only needs one lane to be somewhat well defined (either left or right) for it to engage or stay engaged.

As ChuckL clarified above - Lane Centering is a different system. It can only be turned on if the adaptive cruise control is on. It is done as he said by pressing the middle button on the lower right of the steering wheel where you see a car, lane hashes and a steering wheel. Regardless of the status of the Lane Keep Assist feature - when you turn Lane Centering on, it also turns on Lane Keep Assist. You cannot turn Lane Keep Assist off if Lane Centering is on. Lane Centering has two modes - the first is inactive - where the steering wheel icon in your cruise control distance bars is grey. This means it cannot well discern BOTH the left and right lane markers. Once it well sees both lane dividers the steering wheel icon on the dash on the cruise distance bars goes green. At that time it engages and you have a more aggressive automatic torque input that tries to keep you well centered.

I agree 100% with ChuckL that it's very good at control (when your sensors are properly calibrated). My additional comments are, however three fold. 1) it almost invariably wants to provide torque to turn the wheel just when I start turning - this makes for over-input per se and not very smooth steering. I learned that I have to just trust it and let it do the turning and just keep my hands there. 2) as Chuck said, what I found is that to enable said smooth automatic steering (i.e. I let it do the turning), then I have to hold the steering wheel lightly so as not to interfere and also so I don't try and turn with it. When I do that, as he said - after some time it chimes the alert and tells me to hold the wheel. Sometimes I missed the chime and it would simply turn off. Annoying. 3) the higher the speed you travel, the more active it is in centering such that at speeds I may not wish to mention, you tend to feel the somewhat subtle left then right changes in centering in the lane frequently enough that it 'rocks the boat' (i.e. car) a little bit from side to side. Since we have a 725 mile trip each way, I don't mind follow the leader at higher speeds. I'll tell you that once you start to get up there in speed, the rocking is a bit annoying. Up to 80 it does a great job. At some unmentioned speed above that point, you'll feel the car with frequent corrections so that you'll possibly get annoyed as I did.

 

[peterk9]

Lane Centering is shown under the Adaptive Cruise Control heading because it is associated with that feature. Lane Keeping on the other hand is one of several Driving Aids and thus is listed under that title. Lane Centering is also found under Steering Wheel Controls.


In my opinion, it is much easier to download the manual and use the 'Find' command to locate features that you are looking for. I haven't opened my printed copy of the manual yet.

Peter