360 camera recall halts sales

[Pioneer4x4]

...Unfortunately, as an AI language model, I don't have access to real-time information ...

HUH? So now there is automated generic responses spamming threads? Just to say "I have nothing to say"?

 

[Action]

Just to say "I have nothing to say"?

Yep we need more of that

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[moose66]

HUH? So now there is automated generic responses spamming threads? Just to say "I have nothing to say"?

Yep we need more of that

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Yeah, I thought the moderators would snatch that down. Chat whatever it is called has nothing on real human members of this forum!

 

[G-330131]

The dealer in San Jose has a few Naitilus Black Labels for sale. They don't seem to be affected?

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[PaulinAL]

Welcome to the Forum.

This has been brought up before. 2020—2023 Ford Explorer® SUV Safety Recall 23S02 On Hold
I haven't heard anything more on it and am anxious to get more info since I have a 2023 Aviator being held up by this recall. As mentioned in the other thread, there are more than 9,000 vehicles sitting in parking lots awaiting this fix. Dealers can't sell the vehicles they have in stock nor can they take in trade-ins if they fall under this recall. All shipping has also stopped.

Peter

We were supposed to pick up a 23 on a Saturday in mid May - were trading in our very low mileage’22 because it doesn’t have towing package and we now have need for it. Dealer called us that morning and said not to make the trip and why. So we’re in limbo - ‘23 we were buying is sitting there on their lot. We’re tight with the dealer and communicate often and they have zero line of sight to when recall parts will arrive. Shocking thing is how Ford has kept it out of the news - automotive writers are reporting how much Aviator sales are down YTD but have no context as to why. Btw 360 camera on our ‘22 works flawlessly

 

[Action]

Shocking thing is how Ford has kept it out of the news - automotive writers are reporting how much Aviator sales are down YTD but have no context as to why.

Ford has done nothing to keep the recall out of the news. The news outlets do not want to use the space for the event.

Not sure a backup camera recall is that news worthy.
No crashes, no injuries and no deaths.
There is no drama. That is what news is about.

This back up camera thing is a safety recall. (Has the S in the center of the numbering) It is possible to have an emissions recall as well. That would be a recall with an E in the center. Emission recalls are totally boring. Those have even less news coverage.

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[peterk9]

Ford Authority finally carried the article but only about the Explorer and how it is impacting dealers etc. I expect the same article to come out about the Aviator. https://www.explorerforum.com/forum...camera-issue-impacting-owners-dealers.503600/

Peter

 

[PaulinAL]

Ford has done nothing to keep the recall out of the news. The news outlets do not want to use the space for the event.

Not sure a backup camera recall is that news worthy.
No crashes, no injuries and no deaths.
There is no drama. That is what news is about.

This back up camera thing is a safety recall. (Has the S in the center of the numbering) It is possible to have an emissions recall as well. That would be a recall with an E in the center. Emission recalls are totally boring. Those have even less news coverage.

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You’re right “if it bleeds it leads”

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[greerl]

Yeah, blame the Feds as much as Ford.
Ford, geez, software, fix it. I get there is probably some stupid approval process, but come on.
Feds, mandating back up cameras in the first place. I know of other vehicles that got recalled to reprogram the back up camera, just to comply with the Fed "must show reverse camera when putting in Reverse (Jeep/Volvo I know for a fact), EVEN IF YOU MANUALLY CHOOSE 360 VIEW FIRST, like if you are around trees or something, or choose a side view intentionally, it must go to the rear camera, then you have to choose again.
Like mandating rear window defrosters, and TPMS, come on, stop voting these people in.
I had cars with all of this stuff, long before they were mandated, because I CHOSE to, not because some bureaucrat told me to.

I think you should leave big brother out of this thread.

But that said, the relevant point here is that most of us would probably disagree with your claimed choice lof functionality. Switching to the rear camera when switching to reverse is definitely the right thing to do and, as we rely on that camera for safe operation (prior to these cameras I had 2-3 drive way wrecks), failing to do so it's a serious safety hazard (think running over a small child)..

 

[olderbudweiser]

I think you should leave big brother out of this thread.

But that said, the relevant point here is that most of us would probably disagree with your claimed choice lof functionality. Switching to the rear camera when switching to reverse is definitely the right thing to do and, as we rely on that camera for safe operation (prior to these cameras I had 2-3 drive way wrecks), failing to do so it's a serious safety hazard (think running over a small child)..

Would everyone who does not have a drivers door mirror a passenger side mirror and a rear facing mirror raise their hand. Also if your head cannot turn left and right up and down raise your hand. This is who requires a 360 camera. Otherwise it's some over reach nonsense.

 

[peterk9]

I believe the 360 camera is a great feature to have. Yes, there are side mirrors and a rearview mirror but the camera provides an instant view of all the area around the vehicle simultaneously. In my opinion, it is anything but "some over reach nonsense" and I have been driving for over 60 years. I'm sure that at one some owners may also have thought power windows were nonsense as well.

Peter

 

[moose66]

Would everyone who does not have a drivers door mirror a passenger side mirror and a rear facing mirror raise their hand. Also if your head cannot turn left and right up and down raise your hand. This is who requires a 360 camera. Otherwise it's some over reach nonsense.

Good points. Yes, all of the mirrors you stated are functional and do work. But the cameras do assist greatly with blind spots those same mirrors don't provide visibility to.

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[olderbudweiser]

Good points. Yes, all of the mirrors you stated are functional and do work. But the cameras do assist greatly with blind spots those same mirrors don't provide visibility to.

No argument to your post. But to halt deliveries is pretty silly IMO. If someone is that inattentive in operating a motor vehicle they require these types of crutches pleas don'r drive.

 

[Pioneer4x4]

All comes down to voting, we elected the people that passed the laws requiring backup cameras. Took effect early 2018 I believe. Same with rear window defrosters, CHMSL, TPMS...
But personally, I LOVE backup cameras, both for safety, and for convenience. 360 is nice as well, when you can manually pick which camera you want. My 2021 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit L was probably the best, my 2019 Volvo S90 isn't bad, but I think better overall than this Lincoln. But I really like them in any car. BUT, I'm not for MANDATING them. Things like Miatas requiring a backup camera? That's nuts.

 

[DomDoobie]

These features are great to have. But we all drive cars that didn’t have them and we got along just fine. You need to drive the car not the car drive you in my opinion. People tend to rely on this new technology and if it fails or has a hiccup and you’re not using everything combined (paying attention. Turning you head and looking around using your mirrors) you could end up in an accident. This stuff fails or breaks ! I drive a big express coach bus. We had no technology. We had mirrors. If you’re paying attention and using your mirrors effectively……no accidents

 

[PaulinAL]

Truth is for us consumers this is merely an inconvenience, a delay in taking delivery of a car or trading one in. But for Lincoln dealers and salespeople who normally only have 4 models to sell this must be catastrophic. May cause some dealers to fold. Isn’t doing much for the brand that’s already struggling to garner enough share in the categories it competes in to justify its existence to Ford executives either, I suspect.

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[peterk9]

Truth is for us consumers this is merely an inconvenience, a delay in taking delivery of a car or trading one in. But for Lincoln dealers and salespeople who normally only have 4 models to sell this must be catastrophic. May cause some dealers to fold. Isn’t doing much for the brand that’s already struggling to garner enough share in the categories it competes in to justify its existence to Ford executives either, I suspect.

As this also includes the Explorer, my dealership is also hit hard. It is a good thing that they also sell quite a few F-150s and Escapes. Also, the 2024 Edge has just begun production but I don't know what the camera situation is with that one.

Peter

 

[PaulinAL]

As this also includes the Explorer, my dealership is also hit hard. It is a good thing that they also sell quite a few F-150s and Escapes. Also, the 2024 Edge has just begun production but I don't know what the camera situation is with that one.

Peter

Is the ‘24 Edge coming out of China as is the ‘24 Nautilus?

 

[austin-tatious]

Back on topic....

I just bought a '19 Continental on July 20. All cameras were foggy, the front one the most. The feds had issued a recall on the rear camera and Ford had the kit. I asked my dealer, North Park Lincoln at Dominion in San Antonio, why they hadn't done it yet. So they replaced that before I bought it. I could live with the foggy front camera. And I could wait for a kit to be available to fix it. The sides worked fine so I could use the 360 view effectively.

Then I returned to the dealer to get the keyless entry factory code last Friday. AND the service told me they had the kit in stock and wanted to put in on the car. Mirabile dictu! Left the car for the fix and came back on Saturday to take it home. Done.

Since there are no more posts on this, I'm guessing y'all found out about the fix. And are scheduled to get it done, or already have done it. Right?

 

[peterk9]

Is the ‘24 Edge coming out of China as is the ‘24 Nautilus?

No Oakville, Ontario. PM sent

Peter