Corsair sunroof

[ford8366]

Hi, new guy and first time Lincoln owner here! I bought a '20 Corsair Reserve I in December and absolutely love it except for its sunroof issue. I saw another owner complaining about the wind noise problem at 50+ mph, but didn't see a solution. Has anyone had this problem and got it fixed? If so, what was the solution?

Also, the rear edge of my sunroof doesn't sit flush to the fixed panel when closed. It doesn't leak, but aesthetically I think it should lay flat. However my dealer says that it's supposed to be like that...? Does yours sit flush or is it slightly raised when closed?

Thanks!

 

[bbf2530]

Hi, new guy and first time Lincoln owner here! I bought a '20 Corsair Reserve I in December and absolutely love it except for its sunroof issue. I saw another owner complaining about the wind noise problem at 50+ mph, but didn't see a solution. Has anyone had this problem and got it fixed? If so, what was the solution?

Also, the rear edge of my sunroof doesn't sit flush to the fixed panel when closed. It doesn't leak, but aesthetically I think it should lay flat. However my dealer says that it's supposed to be like that...? Does yours sit flush or is it slightly raised when closed?

Thanks!

Hi ford8366. Are you referring to the roof sheet metal when you state "...my sunroof doesn't sit flush to the fixed panel when closed."? And I assume you are referring to a wind noise when the moonroof is closed, correct?

If yes, then generally speaking...Yes, the moonroof panel should sit relatively flush with the sheet metal surrounding it.

To address the question of your Dealer stating "...it's supposed to be like that", I would recommend you go to the Dealership and examine the moonroofs of other Corsairs on the lot. If they are not like yours, it is not normal. So point it out to the individual who told you it is normal.

The wind noise contradicts the "it's normal'' diagnosis.

Also, out of curiosity: Who was it you spoke to? Someone in the Service Department? Sales Department?

 

[ford8366]

I have the panoramic roof so it doesn't drop into an opening in an otherwise metal roof. Yes, the wind noise can be heard while the sunroof and the sunshade are closed. I'd expect wind noise if it was open lol

I spoke with the service manager who repeated what his shop foreman told him. Looking at other Corsair's, there is inconsistency in the alignment of the area in question. Some are like mine, others are bowed (higher in the middle), others are tilted (flatter on one side) while still others appear much flatter. All variants are still higher than other Lincoln models which sit flush. I've had the car in a few times because of door, lift gate and hood alignment issues. The body shop foreman told me they routinely have Corsair's in for panel fitting issues, but he stopped short of saying the same with the sunroof citing it as out of their scope.

I also pointed out a noise not being normal, however, I was told the Corsair's interior sound quality meets the factory requirements (I doubt they checked). Even still I shouldn't hear the equivalent of a vacuum cleaner over my head while driving at speed nor should my voice be drowned out from background noise like I have a window open when using the hands-free.

I've never had a car with a panoramic roof before so I don't know if the excessive wind noise is a nuance particular to this style since they don't drop into a metal roof and thus be better insulated.

 

[bbf2530]

I have the panoramic roof so it doesn't drop into an opening in an otherwise metal roof. Yes, the wind noise can be heard while the sunroof and the sunshade are closed. I'd expect wind noise if it was open lol

I spoke with the service manager who repeated what his shop foreman told him. Looking at other Corsair's, there is inconsistency in the alignment of the area in question. Some are like mine, others are bowed (higher in the middle), others are tilted (flatter on one side) while still others appear much flatter. All variants are still higher than other Lincoln models which sit flush. I've had the car in a few times because of door, lift gate and hood alignment issues. The body shop foreman told me they routinely have Corsair's in for panel fitting issues, but he stopped short of saying the same with the sunroof citing it as out of their scope.

I also pointed out a noise not being normal, however, I was told the Corsair's interior sound quality meets the factory requirements (I doubt they checked). Even still I shouldn't hear the equivalent of a vacuum cleaner over my head while driving at speed nor should my voice be drowned out from background noise like I have a window open when using the hands-free.

I've never had a car with a panoramic roof before so I don't know if the excessive wind noise is a nuance particular to this style since they don't drop into a metal roof and thus be better insulated.

Hi ford8366. The interior noise with a closed Panoramic moonroof should be no louder than one with a regular moonroof, and perhaps only imperceptibly louder than one with neither moonroof...if at all.

While I have not driven a Corsair with the Panoramic moonroof, I have driven MKZ's with the Panoramic moonroof. And the differences between it and the solid roof MKZ is negligible.

Again, we can not experience what you are. So if you feel the noise is unacceptable, you should pursue this further. If the Service Department will not diagnose this more deeply, you should try a second Dealership and/or contact Lincoln Concierge for assistance.

And trust me, there are owners who complain about wind noise and/or buffeting when moonroofs are open, which is why it was necessary to ask.

Let us know how you make out and good luck.

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[ford8366]

Thanks for the input and advice, BBF. This is something for the Concierge service? I called them one time for another issue and they basically said they were no more than a live person directory then referred me back to the Ambassador at the dealership (who's impossible to reach).

 

[bbf2530]

Thanks for the input and advice, BBF. This is something for the Concierge service? I called them one time for another issue and they basically said they were no more than a live person directory then referred me back to the Ambassador at the dealership (who's impossible to reach).

Hi ford8366. Having your Dealership provide further diagnosis is the preferable next step. However, if an owner has exhausted their Dealership options and still has a problem, then Lincoln Concierge is the next step.

So I would pursue this with your Dealership first. If you feel that will get you no further and there is still a problem, then try another Lincoln Dealership. Still no satisfaction? Then call Lincoln Concierge. And like any Customer Relations service, ask to have your issue bumped up the chain of command., if necessary.

I would also recommend taking a test drive or two in other Panoramic roof equipped Corsairs, to compare noise levels. Then you will have a better comparison and gauge as to what is normal or not.

I am sure others will jump in with their own recommendations, so keep us updated and good luck.

 

[Corsart]

Hi, new guy and first time Lincoln owner here! I bought a '20 Corsair Reserve I in December and absolutely love it except for its sunroof issue. I saw another owner complaining about the wind noise problem at 50+ mph, but didn't see a solution. Has anyone had this problem and got it fixed? If so, what was the solution?

Also, the rear edge of my sunroof doesn't sit flush to the fixed panel when closed. It doesn't leak, but aesthetically I think it should lay flat. However my dealer says that it's supposed to be like that...? Does yours sit flush or is it slightly raised when closed?

Thanks!

 

[Corsart]

A couple of things to note about glass sunroofs generally and this one in particular. The first is that glass doesn't insulate anywhere near as effectively nor the same as a std steel roof (or even a steel sunroof). Glass doesn't absorb sound, it reflects it. A steel roof/sunroof has the advantage of a cloth headliner, and with the Corsair, a molded/shaped headliner, which is very effective at absorbing sound. So, if your goal is silence, then a glass sunroof is a compromise. Your best bet is to close the cloth shade.

The second thing is that the entire sunroof assembly is attached robotically, which means as close to "Perfect" as possible. Your dealer's explanation of the installs being variable is probably incorrect or at best, an over simplfication. What is more likely is that the sub assembly..the putting together of all the component pieces of the sunroof itself with more human labor, is the likely culprit, and most likely the install of the black edging/insulation/"Gimp" or "Dum dum" that seals it against wind and rain.

What I would do..I do not have the sunroof for your very reason....is to have someone drive the car, and sit in the passenger seats with an automotive stethoscope and place the probe at that gimp juncture to identify the gap between that and the roof itself, moving it slowly over the perimeter of the roof. That gap probably is very small, recall that wind rushing in/by any irregularly creates significant (if micro) turbulence and with it noise. When you find it, you can add some gimp or silicone to fill it in.

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[ford8366]

Hi ford8366. Having your Dealership provide further diagnosis is the preferable next step. However, if an owner has exhausted their Dealership options and still has a problem, then Lincoln Concierge is the next step.

So I would pursue this with your Dealership first. If you feel that will get you no further and there is still a problem, then try another Lincoln Dealership. Still no satisfaction? Then call Lincoln Concierge. And like any Customer Relations service, ask to have your issue bumped up the chain of command., if necessary.

I would also recommend taking a test drive or two in other Panoramic roof equipped Corsairs, to compare noise levels. Then you will have a better comparison and gauge as to what is normal or not.

I am sure others will jump in with their own recommendations, so keep us updated and good luck.

Hi bbf2530 and Corsart,

Again, thanks for all of the input and I wanted to give you an update. I took the car back to the dealer and they were able to flatten the roof seam a bit, but it didn't improve the wind noise as I had hoped. I haven't been able to take another one out for a test drive to compare the two, but I hope to do so soon. Unfortunately, no one is willing to ride with an automotive stethoscope to find the source so I may just have to live with the noise.

I noticed a few other issues with the Corsair that I was hoping to pick your brains about. The first is the pop-up perforated wind deflector. It damned near sounds like a jet engine in the cabin when the sunroof is open. Is this a common feature/issue with Lincolns? My Fusion's sunroof has a solid deflector and thus is quieter than the Corsair. Do you know if there's an option to replace that with a solid deflector? The next is the hood. With a decent crosswind, the hood sides flex up and down. I noticed that the hood itself is VERY lightweight so I don't know if this is a design flaw due to the lighter hood's gap laying atop the fender (rather than a traditional hood gap behind the fender) or if this needs to be adjusted. The hood is securely latched and I don't see any rub marks showing that it's off alignment. Lastly, I noticed when I opened the hood that there isn't any engine coverings at all, it's just an exposed engine. Shouldn't there at least be a plastic cover over the top of the engine? I've tried Googling it, but some pictures show a cover while others don't so I don't know which to believe.

Thanks again for all of the help!

 

[Corsart]

Hi bbf2530 and Corsart,

Again, thanks for all of the input and I wanted to give you an update. I took the car back to the dealer and they were able to flatten the roof seam a bit, but it didn't improve the wind noise as I had hoped. I haven't been able to take another one out for a test drive to compare the two, but I hope to do so soon. Unfortunately, no one is willing to ride with an automotive stethoscope to find the source so I may just have to live with the noise.

I noticed a few other issues with the Corsair that I was hoping to pick your brains about. The first is the pop-up perforated wind deflector. It damned near sounds like a jet engine in the cabin when the sunroof is open. Is this a common feature/issue with Lincolns? My Fusion's sunroof has a solid deflector and thus is quieter than the Corsair. Do you know if there's an option to replace that with a solid deflector? The next is the hood. With a decent crosswind, the hood sides flex up and down. I noticed that the hood itself is VERY lightweight so I don't know if this is a design flaw due to the lighter hood's gap laying atop the fender (rather than a traditional hood gap behind the fender) or if this needs to be adjusted. The hood is securely latched and I don't see any rub marks showing that it's off alignment. Lastly, I noticed when I opened the hood that there isn't any engine coverings at all, it's just an exposed engine. Shouldn't there at least be a plastic cover over the top of the engine? I've tried Googling it, but some pictures show a cover while others don't so I don't know which to believe.

Thanks again for all of the help!

Thanks for the update.

Assuming you've got a window open a bit to relieve air pressure, the right way to find and fix the other air leak is with an automotive stethoscope...and not surprisingly,your dealer won't spend the time to do this. But you can! There's a good chance that the noise you hear is being caused by some very small gap which can be fixed with some silicone gel.

As a Corsair owner, I can try to help with your other issues as well, although mine does not have the sunroof. You can check with the parts dept to see if there's an interchangeable deflector w/o perforations, or if the noise with the one you have is intolerable, you can remove it. Those deflectors are usually installed in lieu of opening aforementioned window a bit to relieve air pressure and prevent buffeting, but by no means do you NEED one. I've owned cars w/o them and find cracking a rear window just a bit to be sufficient. You can try this by holding down the deflector and see if the result is acceptable to you.

Hood flex can be minimized by turning the two circular rubber bumpers at the corners of the front of the car where the hood closes counterclockwise. Do it one turn and then test it, b/c the more you unscrew them, the harder it gets to latch the hood w/o slamming it.

Go buy an engine cover and a mounting stud..my first post here was questioning this as well. The engine looks awful exposed, covers were deleted after mid 2020.

 

[bbf2530]

Hi bbf2530 and Corsart,

Again, thanks for all of the input and I wanted to give you an update. I took the car back to the dealer and they were able to flatten the roof seam a bit, but it didn't improve the wind noise as I had hoped. I haven't been able to take another one out for a test drive to compare the two, but I hope to do so soon. Unfortunately, no one is willing to ride with an automotive stethoscope to find the source so I may just have to live with the noise.

I noticed a few other issues with the Corsair that I was hoping to pick your brains about. The first is the pop-up perforated wind deflector. It damned near sounds like a jet engine in the cabin when the sunroof is open. Is this a common feature/issue with Lincolns? My Fusion's sunroof has a solid deflector and thus is quieter than the Corsair. Do you know if there's an option to replace that with a solid deflector? The next is the hood. With a decent crosswind, the hood sides flex up and down. I noticed that the hood itself is VERY lightweight so I don't know if this is a design flaw due to the lighter hood's gap laying atop the fender (rather than a traditional hood gap behind the fender) or if this needs to be adjusted. The hood is securely latched and I don't see any rub marks showing that it's off alignment. Lastly, I noticed when I opened the hood that there isn't any engine coverings at all, it's just an exposed engine. Shouldn't there at least be a plastic cover over the top of the engine? I've tried Googling it, but some pictures show a cover while others don't so I don't know which to believe.

Thanks again for all of the help!

Hi ford8366. You are very welcome. That's what we are all here for.

My best advice at this point would be to take a test drive in one or two other Panoramic Roof equipped Corsairs. At least that will hopefully give you a baseline to determine whether the noise levels in your Corsair is abnormal. If there is a noticeable difference, then you have something to work with when speaking to the Service Advisor/Lincoln.

Concerning your other questions; I don't have a good answer for the solid moonroof wind deflector replacement.
The hood flex seems to be a not uncommon issue. You may want to have the Dealer take a look and address that.
The engine cover...I have seen information that it was decontented, and then other cases where owners have asked their Dealership and the Dealership has installed one. So as the old saying goes, it never hurts to ask.

Sorry I don't have better answers.

Keep us updated and good luck.

 

[WixomAce]

I have the same wind noise issue on my 2022 Corsair with panorama roof. I also have a rattle from rear hatch trim. I expected a $50K Lincoln to be quieter than this. My 2018 Ford Explorer (with no moonroof) is actually quieter. And my 2017 Escape (no moonroof) is also quieter. Thanks for the tips to check rubber seals, i will look at those and take car back to dealer with my issues. Thx.

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[heywardjr]

I have a 22 Corsair GT with the Pano glass roof. I have zero noise when closed and not very much wind noise when the Pano roof is open. No more noise than my 2016 Fusion was. I'd have the dealer handle these or have another Lincoln/Ford dealer look at it. Maybe check-out the largest dealer in your area or second largest.

 

[kingdre]

I love the discussion. Here is my two cents:

Either the ears are too sensitive based on the 'expected' noise OR something is really wrong. I think its more of the first.

I've always had a car with a sunroof. The Lincoln MKZ was the first time I had a panoramic sunroof and the Corsair the first SUV with a pano. I traditionally drive with the Revel speakers on 4-6. Its that quiet. I personally experience more wind noise from the wind shields on the windows than from the roof. If I open the pano, yes the mesh screen comes up, but I dont get that huge of an increase to where conversations cant be had and music cant be enjoyed. If the pano is completely wide open, it will be different than opening half way or less. PLUS, the Corsair pano cant open all the way like the MKZ.

Just like the car wash issue (automatic car washes arent the best for the car, but I've used them) with the rubber seal around the hatch door hinges. Its not that something is really wrong, it could have been done better. I just hand wash mine. Problem solved. Keep us updated. Im curious what you find.

 

[Car-guy28]

I have the 2022 Corsair with the Pano glass roof as well. Mine is totally quiet when closed, no wind noise, etc. When open the mesh wind screen pops up but the noise is normal and no louder or draftier then any other of the many moonroof equipped vehicles I’ve owned. I find it normal.
I was concerned at first, with the moonroof’s glass panel’s rear edge not sitting perfectly flush with roof’s opening rim when closed, but it doesn’t leak water or air at all. The glass panel appears that it is very slightly raised or bowed in the center. When closed the glass back edge sits about 1/16” or so above the roof opening rim. The front and sides of the glass sit perfectly flush. I haven’t asked the dealership service department yet as the car hasn’t been back in since new in February. Going on 5K miles and zero issues or problems with the car. Comfortable, smooth, quiet, excellent performance and handling, nice features, great car!

 

[kingdre]

I have the same wind noise issue on my 2022 Corsair with panorama roof. I also have a rattle from rear hatch trim. I expected a $50K Lincoln to be quieter than this. My 2018 Ford Explorer (with no moonroof) is actually quieter. And my 2017 Escape (no moonroof) is also quieter. Thanks for the tips to check rubber seals, i will look at those and take car back to dealer with my issues. Thx.

they should be quieter. That is not a comparison.

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[Car-guy28]

When my car was new I noticed the hood flex at high speeds as well. The hood is lightweight aluminum. Adjusting the rubber bump stops (either up or down) at the front outside corners of the hood solved the issue. I tightened the hood while aligning it with the fenders height.
The rear hatch has similar adjustable rubber bump stops as well. I also adjusted them lower to close the hatch tighter and align the gap with the other panels gap size.

 

[WixomAce]

I love the discussion. Here is my two cents:

Either the ears are too sensitive based on the 'expected' noise OR something is really wrong. I think its more of the first.

I've always had a car with a sunroof. The Lincoln MKZ was the first time I had a panoramic sunroof and the Corsair the first SUV with a pano. I traditionally drive with the Revel speakers on 4-6. Its that quiet. I personally experience more wind noise from the wind shields on the windows than from the roof. If I open the pano, yes the mesh screen comes up, but I dont get that huge of an increase to where conversations cant be had and music cant be enjoyed. If the pano is completely wide open, it will be different than opening half way or less. PLUS, the Corsair pano cant open all the way like the MKZ.

Just like the car wash issue (automatic car washes arent the best for the car, but I've used them) with the rubber seal around the hatch door hinges. Its not that something is really wrong, it could have been done better. I just hand wash mine. Problem solved. Keep us updated. Im curious what you find.

If my car is standing still level 4-6 on my Revel is okay; when the car is going over 50 I need 8-9 to drown out the wind noise.

 

[WixomAce]

When my car was new I noticed the hood flex at high speeds as well. The hood is lightweight aluminum. Adjusting the rubber bump stops (either up or down) at the front outside corners of the hood solved the issue. I tightened the hood while aligning it with the fenders height.
The rear hatch has similar adjustable rubber bump stops as well. I also adjusted them lower to close the hatch tighter and align the gap with the other panels gap size.

Thanks Car Guy 28! your tip worked for me, i lowered the bump stops by turning clockwise to stop the hood bouncing. The Pass side stop was up a good 5/8” over the driver side. So i’ve stopped the hood bouncing and lowered the interior db to 65, which is much lower than the 72 it was.

 

[WixomAce]

It’s pretty funny that i was able to tell my wife that “Some guy on the internet had a tip that may have fixed our car…….” Thank you Lincoln Forums.com!