Considering CPO Aviator

[DomDoobie]

Found it. You can read more here

Fair price? $49,000 for this 2021 Aviator? 16k miles.

See sticker: https://www.waltsweeney.com/api/legacy/pse/windowsticker/lincoln?vin=5LM5J7XC9MGL17633&dealerCode=01909&postalCode=45238&status=USED Under the hood:

lincolnforums.com

 

[Lexxicat]

A Dealer can access that info. I think it’s an OASIS report.

 

[peterk9]

Thank you for all the replies! (I wasn’t expecting there to be so many replies for my post) And apologies for the late reply - it’s been a crazy busy week at work.

I did notice the de-rating of the towing capacity while reading through the forum. For that reason, I am primarily interested in MY 2020 and 2021 since I can “legally” tow more pounds with the vehicle. I would really like to know the numbers that resulted in the de-rating of the towing capacity…

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Check this out.

https://fordauthority.com/2021/11/2022-lincoln-aviator-max-towing-capability-substantially-reduced/#:~:text=However%2C%20Ford%20Authority%20has%20discovered%20that%20the%20model,equipped%20with%20the%20Class%20IV%20Trailer%20Tow%20Package.

As mentioned a few times by several members, there did not seem to be any physical change to the vehicle between the mode3l years, so it appears that Lincoln over-rated it to begin with.

Peter

 

[Pioneer4x4]

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In terms of CPO vs. buybacks, is there a way I can tell the CPO vehicle is not a buyback vehicle that was repaired and listed for sale as a CPO?

When it comes to looking up the detailed verhicle service history (which I don’t think Carfax provides in detail), is there any other service I can use?

First, I don't think a buyback vehicle CAN be CPO, period. (I don't know that as a fact though)
And a buyback vehicle should be flagged on a Carfax, as a lemon law car. (again, I think so...)
Also FWIW, when I got mine, the dealership (near Chicago, so access to a lot of then I guess, right?) had some CPO and some not. The one I wanted was listed originally as CPO, then they removed it, (to lower the price). I was comparing it to others they had, and when I went to purchase it, was told it wasn't CPO. Luckily my wife was watching the lame automated slideshow video with the audio description, and it said it was CPO! so they added that back it, since it was advertised that way.
BUT, back to my point, they had several BuyBack ones as well, that could not be CPO, and you could tell from their inventory "stock numbers", they all started with "BB"
I'm not sure if I was supposed to be told that or not, but there you go.
P.S., I just checked their site

Westmont Pre-Owned Car Dealer | Ogden Lincoln of Westmont

Browse and get quotes in Westmont for a quality pre-owned car at Ogden Lincoln of Westmont by searching our Westmont pre-owned car listings.

www.ogdenlincolnofwestmont.com

Also, notice something else interesting.
The ones with BB in them, have "Autocheck" with no issues!
The ones without BB, have "Autocheck" AND "Carfax" listed! That leads me to believe that yep, Carfax flags them.

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[Auggiesdad]

First, I don't think a buyback vehicle CAN be CPO, period. (I don't know that as a fact though)
And a buyback vehicle should be flagged on a Carfax, as a lemon law car. (again, I think so...)
Also FWIW, when I got mine, the dealership (near Chicago, so access to a lot of then I guess, right?) had some CPO and some not. The one I wanted was listed originally as CPO, then they removed it, (to lower the price). I was comparing it to others they had, and when I went to purchase it, was told it wasn't CPO. Luckily my wife was watching the lame automated slideshow video with the audio description, and it said it was CPO! so they added that back it, since it was advertised that way.
BUT, back to my point, they had several BuyBack ones as well, that could not be CPO, and you could tell from their inventory "stock numbers", they all started with "BB"
I'm not sure if I was supposed to be told that or not, but there you go.
P.S., I just checked their site

Westmont Pre-Owned Car Dealer | Ogden Lincoln of Westmont

Browse and get quotes in Westmont for a quality pre-owned car at Ogden Lincoln of Westmont by searching our Westmont pre-owned car listings.

www.ogdenlincolnofwestmont.com

Also, notice something else interesting.
The ones with BB in them, have "Autocheck" with no issues!
The ones without BB, have "Autocheck" AND "Carfax" listed! That leads me to believe that yep, Carfax flags them.

So, in essence they are trying to resell a buyback vehicle at $86k. Unbelievable.

 

[moose66]

So, in essence they are trying to resell a buyback vehicle at $86k. Unbelievable.

Probably not anymore if they have anyone who monitors this site. I know some dealerships have forum trolls who lurk around without registering to see what is being said. If folks are seeing games being played, they will be sitting on those vehicles for quite some time.

 

[Pioneer4x4]

So, in essence they are trying to resell a buyback vehicle at $86k. Unbelievable.

Not sure what you mean, which exact vehicle?
The most expensive BB one they have listed is this

Used 2022 Lincoln Aviator Plug-In Hybrid For Sale at Ogden Lincoln of Westmont | VIN: 5LMYJ9YY0NNL01000

Used 2022 Lincoln Aviator Plug-In Hybrid from Ogden Lincoln of Westmont in Westmont, IL, 60559. Call (630) 934-2945 for more information.

www.ogdenlincolnofwestmont.com

For $75,000 and MSRP was $90K

 

[Auggiesdad]

Not sure what you mean, which exact vehicle?
The most expensive BB one they have listed is this

Used 2022 Lincoln Aviator Plug-In Hybrid For Sale at Ogden Lincoln of Westmont | VIN: 5LMYJ9YY0NNL01000

Used 2022 Lincoln Aviator Plug-In Hybrid from Ogden Lincoln of Westmont in Westmont, IL, 60559. Call (630) 934-2945 for more information.

www.ogdenlincolnofwestmont.com

For $75,000 and MSRP was $90K

The top one on your first link shows no Carfax. I thought you were intimating that no Carfax implied buyback.

Used 2023 Lincoln Aviator For Sale at Ogden Lincoln of Westmont | VIN: 5LM5J9XC8PGL05344

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[Pioneer4x4]

The top one on your first link shows no Carfax. I thought you were intimating that no Carfax implied buyback.

Used 2023 Lincoln Aviator For Sale at Ogden Lincoln of Westmont | VIN: 5LM5J9XC8PGL05344

Gotcha, I was only really looking at the BBs since that was mentioned to me.

 

[ChemicalRXN]

First, I don't think a buyback vehicle CAN be CPO, period. (I don't know that as a fact though)
And a buyback vehicle should be flagged on a Carfax, as a lemon law car. (again, I think so...)
Also FWIW, when I got mine, the dealership (near Chicago, so access to a lot of then I guess, right?) had some CPO and some not. The one I wanted was listed originally as CPO, then they removed it, (to lower the price). I was comparing it to others they had, and when I went to purchase it, was told it wasn't CPO. Luckily my wife was watching the lame automated slideshow video with the audio description, and it said it was CPO! so they added that back it, since it was advertised that way.
BUT, back to my point, they had several BuyBack ones as well, that could not be CPO, and you could tell from their inventory "stock numbers", they all started with "BB"
I'm not sure if I was supposed to be told that or not, but there you go.
P.S., I just checked their site

Westmont Pre-Owned Car Dealer | Ogden Lincoln of Westmont

Browse and get quotes in Westmont for a quality pre-owned car at Ogden Lincoln of Westmont by searching our Westmont pre-owned car listings.

www.ogdenlincolnofwestmont.com

Also, notice something else interesting.
The ones with BB in them, have "Autocheck" with no issues!
The ones without BB, have "Autocheck" AND "Carfax" listed! That leads me to believe that yep, Carfax flags them.

Thank you, this is a very good piece of advice! I will keep this in mind when I look for the CPO inventories.

 

[bbf2530]

Thank you, this is a very good piece of advice! I will keep this in mind when I look for the CPO inventories.

Hi ChemicalRXN. Just one caveat: There is a major legal difference between a "Buyback vehicle" and a "Lemon Law vehicle" .

To paraphrase an old axiom...All Lemon Law vehicle are Buyback vehicles, but not all Buyback vehicles are Lemon Law vehicles.

Essentially, to simplify the legal technicalities: A Lemon Law buyback vehicle means the automaker was legally forced to buy the vehicle back. However, with a Buyback vehicle, the automaker was not forced to buyback the vehicle. They did it *voluntarily*. And Buyback vehicles can normally be CPO certified.
In many/most cases, even Lemon Law vehicles can be CPO certified by the automaker, since that certification is backed by the automaker themself. They are the ones standing behind the certification. So if they want to take up the warranty coverage, they can certify it CPO'd.

Of course, there can be overriding state laws concerning notifying the buyer it was a Lemon Law vehicle etc., so as previously advised, it is always best to check with your particular state for any other details/regulations/protections.

Hope this helps and good luck.