Aviator vs Telluride/Pallisade

[sagosto]

GV80 is an excellent choice. My wife won’t do anything at all over msrp as we normally get corporate discount. We flirted with GLs450 as GM offered me 1500 off during pandemic.

 

[Rixretired]

For those who cross shopped these cars, which did you choose and why?

I've had a Kia stinger and I've been very happy with it and the warranty is best in class. I'm not looking to pay 10k over MSRP for Telluride but there appears to be some Pallisades available around. There does appear to be some saving with the Korean cars.

Well we have had a Palisade and an Aviator.
My wife had a Palisade Limited trim in July of 2020. It is a very nice car, great value because of the tech and high level of content. It actually had better tech content than my 22 Aviator. But, here is the downside… it is a FWD platform and even with AWD, the driving dynamics were best described as lumbering and wallowing. Not that my Aviator is going to take on the Tail of the Dragon, it’s rear wheel bias is evident. The top trim Palisade lacked Power folding mirrors. Didn’t know that until we got the car. The 290 HP V6 is a little weak for the application. Again good content and tech but executed is a budget fashion. 3 years of service included, so when we had it in for the 1 yr service in July 21, my wife saw the first GV 70’s arrive. We drove home in a 22 GV70 Sport prestige. Great car, RWD platform, awesome performance.
The Aviator is better execution of luxury, even if it is missing some content available on Palisade and Genesis.

 

[sagosto]

This

Well we have had a Palisade and an Aviator.
My wife had a Palisade Limited trim in July of 2020. It is a very nice car, great value because of the tech and high level of content. It actually had better tech content than my 22 Aviator. But, here is the downside… it is a FWD platform and even with AWD, the driving dynamics were best described as lumbering and wallowing. Not that my Aviator is going to take on the Tail of the Dragon, it’s rear wheel bias is evident. The top trim Palisade lacked Power folding mirrors. Didn’t know that until we got the car. The 290 HP V6 is a little weak for the application. Again good content and tech but executed is a budget fashion. 3 years of service included, so when we had it in for the 1 yr service in July 21, my wife saw the first GV 70’s arrive. We drove home in a 22 GV70 Sport prestige. Great car, RWD platform, awesome performance.
The Aviator is better execution of luxury, even if it is missing some content available on Palisade and Genesis.

This is a good summary here

 

[Novakane15]

Well we have had a Palisade and an Aviator.
My wife had a Palisade Limited trim in July of 2020. It is a very nice car, great value because of the tech and high level of content. It actually had better tech content than my 22 Aviator. But, here is the downside… it is a FWD platform and even with AWD, the driving dynamics were best described as lumbering and wallowing. Not that my Aviator is going to take on the Tail of the Dragon, it’s rear wheel bias is evident. The top trim Palisade lacked Power folding mirrors. Didn’t know that until we got the car. The 290 HP V6 is a little weak for the application. Again good content and tech but executed is a budget fashion. 3 years of service included, so when we had it in for the 1 yr service in July 21, my wife saw the first GV 70’s arrive. We drove home in a 22 GV70 Sport prestige. Great car, RWD platform, awesome performance.
The Aviator is better execution of luxury, even if it is missing some content available on Palisade and Genesis.

Thanks for the breakdown, very helpful. Why the gv70 over the gv80?

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[rjabend]

Well we have had a Palisade and an Aviator.
My wife had a Palisade Limited trim in July of 2020. It is a very nice car, great value because of the tech and high level of content. It actually had better tech content than my 22 Aviator. But, here is the downside… it is a FWD platform and even with AWD, the driving dynamics were best described as lumbering and wallowing. Not that my Aviator is going to take on the Tail of the Dragon, it’s rear wheel bias is evident. The top trim Palisade lacked Power folding mirrors. Didn’t know that until we got the car. The 290 HP V6 is a little weak for the application. Again good content and tech but executed is a budget fashion. 3 years of service included, so when we had it in for the 1 yr service in July 21, my wife saw the first GV 70’s arrive. We drove home in a 22 GV70 Sport prestige. Great car, RWD platform, awesome performance.
The Aviator is better execution of luxury, even if it is missing some content available on Palisade and Genesis.

I think the significant reliability advantages of the Korean vehicles are also a VERY important factor.

 

[Rixretired]

Thanks for the breakdown, very helpful. Why the gv70 over the gv80?

The GV80 was larger than she really wanted. The GV70 was right sized for her and in the Sport Prestige trim looked a lot sportier than the GV80. I was driving a Genesis 5.0 sedan which was large enough for our people hauling needs. The test drive sealed the deal, as soon as the turbos spun up, it slapped a smile on her face from ear to ear. We were fortunate the get the car a MSRP, considering it was in the first batch that the dealer got, but we were repeat customers.
I ended up trading my genesis for the Aviator, because there were no GV80 or G80’s that I wanted available. So I placed an order for the Lincoln in Feb and got the car in May.

 

[Rixretired]

I think the significant reliability advantages of the Korean vehicles are also a VERY important factor.

You are correct. We have had the GV70 for almost a year with no problems other then oil changes. The car has about 9000 miles. The Aviator has les than 1000 miles, so too early to tell. Although, I had the Lincoln ceramic coated, and there were a number of paint defects, including pimples which are a result of contamination in the paint process. Surprising, for a new car today, especially a $75K car. Also disappointing is the amount of Rubber Maid like material on a luxury car. The Jet package wasn’t available for Flight Blue paint , so I have Rubber Maid arches around the wheels.
The 2 Genesis’ and the Palisade were all monochrome painted parts. Also the factory paint was better than the Lincoln.

 

[rjabend]

You are correct. We have had the GV70 for almost a year with no problems other then oil changes. The car has about 9000 miles. The Aviator has les than 1000 miles, so too early to tell. Although, I had the Lincoln ceramic coated, and there were a number of paint defects, including pimples which are a result of contamination in the paint process. Surprising, for a new car today, especially a $75K car. Also disappointing is the amount of Rubber Maid like material on a luxury car. The Jet package wasn’t available for Flight Blue paint , so I have Rubber Maid arches around the wheels.
The 2 Genesis’ and the Palisade were all monochrome painted parts. Also the factory paint was better than the Lincoln.

Interesting. I also had numerous paint and other quality defects. Luckily, my dealer did a really nice job of correcting those.

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[Thomas.Winckler]

For those who cross shopped these cars, which did you choose and why?

I've had a Kia stinger and I've been very happy with it and the warranty is best in class. I'm not looking to pay 10k over MSRP for Telluride but there appears to be some Pallisades available around. There does appear to be some saving with the Korean cars.

I am actually a Stinger owner as well (2018 Red GT2), and we shopped both the Palisade/Telluride and Aviator for my wife 2 weeks ago. I owned a 2004 Aviator, so I was happy to see it return to the Lincoln line-up.

We also looked at the Telluride and Palisade to compare. I have been extremely happy with the quality and reliability of the Stinger, so I already like the Korean manufacturers and the warranty. I found the Hyundai dealers to be less likely to have significant dealer surcharges, although they were requiring “appearance package” purchases of nitrogen, fabric protector, etc. The Kia dealer has a $6500 surcharge on the Telluride, so I shopped and found a Hyundai dealer about 50 miles away with no add-ons or surcharges. I have found the Palisade to be easier to find on the lot - the Telluride is getting snapped up in transit.

She ultimately chose the Palisade for the blind-spot monitor in the instrument panel. The side cameras show you lanes when changing lanes or turning a corner. A helpful feature for my wife to avoid curb clips (so far) and better than sensor-based blind spot detection. We compared the Reserve Aviator and the Palisade Calligraphy.

My daughters preferred the back seats in the Palisade because of the ceiling a/c vents and the heated/ventilated seats in the 2nd row. You have to go to Aviator Black Label for ventilated rear seats. These are very specific items, but they are the details that matter when you choose a vehicle.

I warned my wife that the worst experience for me is the Kia (and probably Hyundai) dealer. They are not high on service or personality when I have my Stinger serviced. You have a higher degree of customer service with Lincoln. I have no experience with Hyundai yet, but I expect their service department to be a lower tier. It will be me handling the servicing anyway, but it is my only complaint about the Kia.

I liked the Aviator, but we chose the Palisade.

 

[wheeling]

I like Aviator and it was my first choice. It was the built quality that scared me away.

 

[Rixretired]

I am actually a Stinger owner as well (2018 Red GT2), and we shopped both the Palisade/Telluride and Aviator for my wife 2 weeks ago. I owned a 2004 Aviator, so I was happy to see it return to the Lincoln line-up.

We also looked at the Telluride and Palisade to compare. I have been extremely happy with the quality and reliability of the Stinger, so I already like the Korean manufacturers and the warranty. I found the Hyundai dealers to be less likely to have significant dealer surcharges, although they were requiring “appearance package” purchases of nitrogen, fabric protector, etc. The Kia dealer has a $6500 surcharge on the Telluride, so I shopped and found a Hyundai dealer about 50 miles away with no add-ons or surcharges. I have found the Palisade to be easier to find on the lot - the Telluride is getting snapped up in transit.

She ultimately chose the Palisade for the blind-spot monitor in the instrument panel. The side cameras show you lanes when changing lanes or turning a corner. A helpful feature for my wife to avoid curb clips (so far) and better than sensor-based blind spot detection. We compared the Reserve Aviator and the Palisade Calligraphy.

My daughters preferred the back seats in the Palisade because of the ceiling a/c vents and the heated/ventilated seats in the 2nd row. You have to go to Aviator Black Label for ventilated rear seats. These are very specific items, but they are the details that matter when you choose a vehicle.

I warned my wife that the worst experience for me is the Kia (and probably Hyundai) dealer. They are not high on service or personality when I have my Stinger serviced. You have a higher degree of customer service with Lincoln. I have no experience with Hyundai yet, but I expect their service department to be a lower tier. It will be me handling the servicing anyway, but it is my only complaint about the Kia.

I liked the Aviator, but we chose the Palisade.

I was pretty happy with the service I got from the Hyundai / Genesis dealer. I used Chantilly Hyundai in Northern Virginia. They always treated me like a valued customer, and the service agent was as good as they come. I purchased the Aviator from Ted Britt Lincoln, and their customer service during the purchase, ordering, and waiting process was as good as I have experienced anywhere. The car is just a month old, so I have no experience with the service department, but if it is as good as the sales dept. I’ll be happy.
Let’s hope I see as little of the service dept as possible.
The all time best service department ever was Ray Catina in NJ. They treated each customer like family, however my Jaguar spent way too much time there.

 

[masterdrago]

I need to say that we looked at the Limited and King Ranch Explorer, Kia Telluride and Hyundai Calligraphy. The much over MSRP of Kia, not DWs liking of leather in Hyundai and no King Ranch Explorer on lot drove us to the Aviator BL w/mahogany red leather. We even glanced at the GV80 but just far too much glitz. We love it as now has 15k miles with no issues, power to spare - only way to get that many ponies was the XT Explorer and it was a rough ride. Our Aviator is extremely refined with very quiet interior, smooth ride and awesome 30 way seats.

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[peterk9]

.......................- only way to get that many ponies was the XT Explorer and it was a rough ride......................................

I think you meant to say ST, not XT. The ST has basically the same engine as the Aviator but is on a firmer 'Sport' tuned suspension. The King Ranch has the same engine and has the regular suspension.

Peter

 

[masterdrago]

Yep. ST. Firmer. Same tuned HP as Aviator. Thanks. I do believe the King Ranch Explorer we were wanting to drive had ~25 HP less in its tuned 3L Turbo than the Black Label 3L. Only the ST was showing 400HP. Strange how they set those limits. Same weirdness as in the Navigator and F150 trim levels using the 3.5L version.

 

[masterdrago]

Actually, I think the King Ranch 2021 Explorer was a 365HP 3L. If it matters. We were just after the nice leather but not the same as the 2003 F150 King Ranch leather!