240v versus charging station at home?

[peterk9]

Lets be clear here. EVERY car must have a charging "station" to charge. ..................................

Not really, mine isn't a hybrid.

Peter

 

[moose66]

I had the 240V outlet installed right next to my breaker box. Then I installed the JuiceBox right beside that on the next stud. Plugged it in and happy charging. I use the app to set the vehicle to charge early in the AM. I have a two car garage and park closest to the outlet. However, the cord could easily reach another vehicle parked on the far side of the garage provided the connector is on the front left of the vehicle. Whether that be the driver side front of our vehicle (I back into the garage) or on the passenger rear (vehicles with the connector in the rear).

 

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[RedHoncho]

I had the 240V outlet installed right next to my breaker box. Then I installed the JuiceBox right beside that on the next stud. Plugged it in and happy charging. I use the app to set the vehicle to charge early in the AM. I have a two car garage and park closest to the outlet. However, the cord could easily reach another vehicle parked on the far side of the garage provided the connector is on the front left of the vehicle. Whether that be the driver side front of our vehicle (I back into the garage) or on the passenger rear (vehicles with the connector in the rear).

You can also program your vehicle charge times. You can go to the touchscreen and set up when you want charging to start or when you are expecting to depart. You can also program charge times via the Lincoln Way app. When you plug your vehicle in, there is a button next to the charge port you use to activate this feature.

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[Scott1911]

Got It!

 

[heywardjr]

You need NEMA 6-20R outlets. Each one should be on a 20A dual pole circuit. Inside the bag with the charging cord is the 240V adapter and a cover that goes on the outlet to keep the charging cord securely plugged in.

I have read conflicting information regarding having a NEMA 6-50 versus a NEMA 14-50 circuit installed. My electrician recommends 14-50 and others have said it is better to go that route as it has an extra wire. Where does it say in Ford/Lincoln documentation that a 6-20R is needed. I'm not seeing anything related to that requirement.

 

[bill0754]

My neighbors plug in their Chevy Volt into a 240v outlet they got an electrician to put beside their breaker panel. They don’t have a dedicated charging station. However, My father has purchased “pulsar plus level 2 charging station for his Mach E. So I am confused which is better to put in my garage, especially for two Grand Tourings.

I had a 240 put in my garage, and it is about 3-4 times faster than the 120. I can charge from 0 in a little over 3 hours with the plug that my Aviator GT came with. I don't think a level 2 charging station will be any faster.

 

[RedHoncho]

I have read conflicting information regarding having a NEMA 6-50 versus a NEMA 14-50 circuit installed. My electrician recommends 14-50 and others have said it is better to go that route as it has an extra wire. Where does it say in Ford/Lincoln documentation that a 6-20R is needed. I'm not seeing anything related to that requirement.

The charging cord supplied with the vehicle recommends the NEMA 620R as that fits the supplied 240V adapter. Anything else is overkill. The hardware and software in the vehicle will only allow it to charge at a certain rate no matter the input. I have depleted my battery and plugged into a public Level 2 and it didn’t charge any faster. I recommend talking to your dealer and/or the Lincoln Concierge before doing anything else.

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[heywardjr]

The charging cord supplied with the vehicle recommends the NEMA 620R as that fits the supplied 240V adapter. Anything else is overkill. The hardware and software in the vehicle will only allow it to charge at a certain rate no matter the input. I have depleted my battery and plugged into a public Level 2 and it didn’t charge any faster. I recommend talking to your dealer and/or the Lincoln Concierge before doing anything else.

Perfect answer. I had originally scheduled the line to be installed based on thinking I was getting a Mach-E and that required 14-50. The Mach-E has been cancelled and I ordered the Corsair Hybrid and can now tell the electrician to use 6-20R instead. Thanks.

 

[Lexxicat]

Lincoln Charger uses 6-20R for 240v. A Juice Box or Chargepoint typically want a 14-50. I put a Juice Box in with the 14-50. There have been some postings that the Lincoln charger has give some errors and had to be replaced under warranty. At least one said that the dealer said it wasn't under warranty and they had to pursue replacement thru Concierge or another dealer.

 

[sagosto]

I am still not clear the advantages of using a standalone charger such as a a JuiceBox for the Aviator or really any BEV. I am preparing for 2 BEVs and was going to install 80-100A to a subpanel in the garage. Why would you not just have 2 - 240V outlets assuming you have 2 cars vs. the additional charge of a JuiceBox?

 

[Lexxicat]

As I mentioned I have seen some postings on failures/ error codes from the Lincoln device. If you’re going to just use the Lincoln devices you may be able to get by with a smaller circuit. You should consult an electrician on that. I believe they only are 16 amp chargers.

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[RedHoncho]

I am still not clear the advantages of using a standalone charger such as a a JuiceBox for the Aviator or really any BEV. I am preparing for 2 BEVs and was going to install 80-100A to a subpanel in the garage. Why would you not just have 2 - 240V outlets assuming you have 2 cars vs. the additional charge of a JuiceBox?

The included charging cord can utilize a regular 120V 16A circuit or a 240V 20A circuit with a NEMA 6-20R outlet. The hardware and software on the car limit the charging speed. Obviously, the 240V is much faster with a charge time of 3 hours. You can use a Level 2 charger but it will still take 3 hours. I use the 240V outlet in my garage for my Corsair GT. The Aviator GT has the same charging cord and takes the same amount of time.

 

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[peterk9]

That used to mean the block heater.

Peter

 

[moose66]

That used to mean the block heater.

Peter

LOL . . . . . it would take one of our neighbors to the north to point that out!

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[sagosto]

The included charging cord can utilize a regular 120V 16A circuit or a 240V 20A circuit with a NEMA 6-20R outlet. The hardware and software on the car limit the charging speed. Obviously, the 240V is much faster with a charge time of 3 hours. You can use a Level 2 charger but it will still take 3 hours. I use the 240V outlet in my garage for my Corsair GT. The Aviator GT has the same charging cord and takes the same amount of time.

Correct. So, I am still not sure why an external charging station is even worth it?

 

[moose66]

For me it was more of a convenience than anything. I thought the cord provided with the vehicle was flimsy. Also many of the outlets in my garage were in bad locations or already spoken for with the fridge, alarm cameras, etc. I also thought of it as an investment. At some point EV's will be the norm, or at least more in the conversation for many. Having the charging station installed in the home could increase the property value. Or at least get the attention of someone. Not that I am looking to sell/move at the moment. Could reap some decent cash, but there is nowhere to go if I wanted to stay in this area.

 

[ChuckL]

As a previous owner of an Audi BEV, I already have a charging station in my garage, which I'll be using for my Aviator PHEV whenever it arrives. If I didn't have the charging station already, this is the way I'd look at it: First, even though the PHEV doesn't have a huge battery, I'd want to use 240V charging, not 120, to reduce the charging time. If this meant that I had to add a 240 circuit, I'd for sure make it a 60 amp circuit, just to future-proof the installation for when I (inevitably) own an BEV. Buying a charging station would be optional until I needed it for a BEV, but I'd probably do it from day one anyway, so that I had a clean, hardwired installation rather than an outlet for the Aviator charging cord that'd I probably need to change once I had a BEV.

This is what I'd do, but other options are perfectly reasonable.

 

[heywardjr]

Well, I ended up going with the NEMA 14-50 240v 50amp line based on my electrician's recommendation. He stated I would be better off with the 14-50 because if in 4-5 years I want to go with an full on EV then I am already set up. If we decided to sell this house and move elsewhere, then having that line in the garage helps resale value a tiny bit (marketing that it is ready for EV in the garage helps around Northern Virginia). I had one last empty slot in my electrical panel, so we did what the electrician suggested. I bought the ChargePoint Home model and have it set at 50amps but I could step that down to 30 or 40 amps to match the car. Car just left factory so it will be here within a couple weeks or less!