2024 Nautilus software and battery issues

[elsloan1]

I bought is on. Amazon a few years back. I have used a 6.2 liter Corvette, 2020 Nautilus and several other 4 bangers. I carry all the time in my 2022 Corvette and when we travel out of town in my Sierra Denali or the one trip in the Nautilus so far. Glad I purchased it.

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[angore]

On the MKZ battery, the maintenance cycle kicked in around 12.47 V.

 

[swindler]

I just ordered this jump box. This is the exact one our friend showed up with. Sad we need to have to keep this in a brand new Lincoln, but I’d rather be practical until something is done about it….which I doubt. Lincoln is just expecting us to just suck it…or at least that’s how I feel.

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I bought is on. Amazon a few years back. I have used a 6.2 liter Corvette, 2020 Nautilus and several other 4 bangers. I carry all the time in my 2022 Corvette and when we travel out of town in my Sierra Denali or the one trip in the Nautilus so far. Glad I purchased it.

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FYI, the big difference between this lead-acid unit and the NOCO Li-Ion unit is how many jumps you'll get. Both can offer ~1700 A peak current, but one has a battery size of ~22 Ah vs the other ~4 Ah. Also, the Li-Ion batteries will typically hold their charge longer. The one I just bought is only ~2 Ah (peak current 1000 A), but small enough to fit in that spare tire well

 

[Hugo Drivenow]

I weighed my options between the Li-Ion battery and the lead acid. Despite the larger size, I plan to keep the charger in the Nautilus and felt more comfortable keeping a lead acid battery in a car that can get very hot inside during summer. I don’t feel comfortable subjecting a lithium battery to possible extreme heat. Yes I’m sure these lithium batteries will most likely be fine stored in a car, but I just feel better going with the lead acid. I don’t need to tempt fate more than I do already.

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[angore]

So just a few minutes ago I get a message on the Lincoln Way app the Nauti has entered remote features disabled mode. The battery voltage is sitting at 12.7v. I saw it showed a revised status prior to the message. There is no message saved in the messages section like when it went into deep sleep.

No action planned.

I attached the noco about 30 min prior with voltage over 12.4V before hooking it up. I am wondering it is doing this since it has been inactive for over a week or BMS is just not good. I am charging under the hood.

 

[Starfish]

To: Steve_C Post #306...Get out your popcorn!
After my 2024 Nautilus Hybrid Reserve II went into Deep Sleep a few weeks ago (detailer had to jump it at their shop) the passive door switches wouldn't recognize the key fobs. My dealer fixed that issue (see Post #221) along with recalls 24P14 (VDM update) and 24B23 (injectors), and was unable to perform 24P14. Shortly after, I purchased and began using a NOCO Genius10 (shout out to swindler and angore for install guidance). I then purchased and began using on July 31st an Antigravity Battery Tracker Plus (seems identical User Interface as the Ancel BM300 Pro mentioned by others here). FYI...Before the 31st and thru today, August 5th, I disabled the Approach Lighting, Phones as a Key, and kept the fobs in a Faraday pouch until driving car. I am attaching screen shots of the Tracker's History of Voltage, SoC (State of Charge) and Temperature from August 1st thru early morning today, the 5th.
Here's some detail of the chronology.
The State of Charge graph is one of the easier ones to understand charging and the Voltage graph driving and charging.
August 1st
Plugged NOCO in late on July 31st...battery quickly went to 100% then began stair-stepping down to 89% at 8:30am when I unplugged the charger. It then down to 83% on it's own.
My wife then started the car at 11am and you see the first spike to 100% during a very short drive, then a drop to 79%, then 77%.
She started the car for a little longer drive at 1:20pm causing another spike to 100% while driving, then down to 76%.
She then drove a very short time home, it spiked to 84% then down to 66%.
I plugged the NOCO in around 8pm and you see the first stair-step to 68%, then 79%, then 100% at 10:30pm.
August 2nd
Battery began stepping down at just after midnight to 79% at 10am and I unplugged the NOCO.
We then went on a few very short drives while I monitored the Tracker real-time (see Voltage spikes) at came home at 4:30pm and I plugged the NOCO charger in at 73%.
It climbed to 86% at 6:45pm, then 100% at 7:45pm until 10:30pm when it began stepping down.
August 3rd
It continued down to 86% when I unplugged the NOCO at 10:15am and went on a number of short trips throughout the day and evening. I did NOT plug the NOCO in anytime the balance of the day.
August 4th
I did NOT plug the NOCO in at anytime throughout the day. What you see on the SoC and Voltage charts are driving trips during the day.
August 5th
No NOCO and no driving as of the time of the charts.
Going Forward
I am going to see just how far down the SoC and Voltage trends proceed from today without using the NOCO charger. As a note, when I first hooked up the Tracker on July 31st, it read 64% with a Warning of Low and the Charge Soon.

Like to hear what others think of this.

BTW...I live in Southern California and it's been very hot...see Temp chart.

 

[JMAB]

FYI, the big difference between this lead-acid unit and the NOCO Li-Ion unit is how many jumps you'll get. Both can offer ~1700 A peak current, but one has a battery size of ~22 Ah vs the other ~4 Ah. Also, the Li-Ion batteries will typically hold their charge longer. The one I just bought is only ~2 Ah (peak current 1000 A), but small enough to fit in that spare tire well

Ordered this one on Saturday and got it delivered on Sunday:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CQJYXQL8?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1

Give you an immediate voltage readout from the battery, when you hook up the cables AND comes with 2x USB-A (out) and 1x USB-C (in & out) ports AND a tire inflator AND a nice hardcase. 2 year warranty for $69 currently and 1 day shipping. Wanted it for our Naughty2 maiden voyage to DC area - just in case. So many great choices out there for these no-2nd-car jumping options.

 

[angore]

The noco will let battery drop to 12.47v before starting maintenance cycle. If you look at some charts, this is around 80%. That is, noco does not keep it near 100% charge (12.7v and higher) on two different batteries I have tested. noco support said thgis is normal.

I consider my testing as an indication that if they fix the software issues, the battery drain issue can be mostly eliminated.

There was another report on FB with someone driving it, parked, and next morning no computer.

I do want to get confirmation on how the jump start / box works on the hybrid. The 12V battery as I see it just runs the computer and the engine starts at some point when needed. Mine will stay in electric mode for some time. This means that when you push start you are NOT cranking an engine on hybrid If this is true, the jump box basically transfers power to 12V to get the computer up. Does the 12V also crank the engine when it is commanded on or does that come from the HV battery?

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[olderbudweiser]

If Ford fixes the brake grunt, battery issues and software bugs, what would happen to this forum?
What would we complain about???

 

[Houtex]

Ordered this one on Saturday and got it delivered on Sunday:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CQJYXQL8?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&th=1

Give you an immediate voltage readout from the battery, when you hook up the cables AND comes with 2x USB-A (out) and 1x USB-C (in & out) ports AND a tire inflator AND a nice hardcase. 2 year warranty for $69 currently and 1 day shipping. Wanted it for our Naughty2 maiden voyage to DC area - just in case. So many great choices out there for these no-2nd-car jumping options.

Looks pretty nifty. Does the air inflator have a pressure setting and readout?

 

[swindler]

To: Steve_C Post #306...Get out your popcorn!
After my 2024 Nautilus Hybrid Reserve II went into Deep Sleep a few weeks ago (detailer had to jump it at their shop) the passive door switches wouldn't recognize the key fobs. My dealer fixed that issue (see Post #221) along with recalls 24P14 (VDM update) and 24B23 (injectors), and was unable to perform 24P14. Shortly after, I purchased and began using a NOCO Genius10 (shout out to swindler and angore for install guidance). I then purchased and began using on July 31st an Antigravity Battery Tracker Plus (seems identical User Interface as the Ancel BM300 Pro mentioned by others here). FYI...Before the 31st and thru today, August 5th, I disabled the Approach Lighting, Phones as a Key, and kept the fobs in a Faraday pouch until driving car. I am attaching screen shots of the Tracker's History of Voltage, SoC (State of Charge) and Temperature from August 1st thru early morning today, the 5th.
Here's some detail of the chronology.
The State of Charge graph is one of the easier ones to understand charging and the Voltage graph driving and charging.
August 1st
Plugged NOCO in late on July 31st...battery quickly went to 100% then began stair-stepping down to 89% at 8:30am when I unplugged the charger. It then down to 83% on it's own.
My wife then started the car at 11am and you see the first spike to 100% during a very short drive, then a drop to 79%, then 77%.
She started the car for a little longer drive at 1:20pm causing another spike to 100% while driving, then down to 76%.
She then drove a very short time home, it spiked to 84% then down to 66%.
I plugged the NOCO in around 8pm and you see the first stair-step to 68%, then 79%, then 100% at 10:30pm.
August 2nd
Battery began stepping down at just after midnight to 79% at 10am and I unplugged the NOCO.
We then went on a few very short drives while I monitored the Tracker real-time (see Voltage spikes) at came home at 4:30pm and I plugged the NOCO charger in at 73%.
It climbed to 86% at 6:45pm, then 100% at 7:45pm until 10:30pm when it began stepping down.
August 3rd
It continued down to 86% when I unplugged the NOCO at 10:15am and went on a number of short trips throughout the day and evening. I did NOT plug the NOCO in anytime the balance of the day.
August 4th
I did NOT plug the NOCO in at anytime throughout the day. What you see on the SoC and Voltage charts are driving trips during the day.
August 5th
No NOCO and no driving as of the time of the charts.
Going Forward
I am going to see just how far down the SoC and Voltage trends proceed from today without using the NOCO charger. As a note, when I first hooked up the Tracker on July 31st, it read 64% with a Warning of Low and the Charge Soon.

Like to hear what others think of this.

BTW...I live in Southern California and it's been very hot...see Temp chart.

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Great data. You're definitely more ambitious as me as I piddle with the BM300 Pro at home. Our Nautilus is at the dealer service shop. I'll likely install when we get it back.

My only question is whether the app allows you to select AGM vs a standard lead-acid? I ask because I didn't see AGM specifically mentioned in the specs and if it's using a standard lead-acid curve, it's SoC estimates may be slightly off.

 

[swindler]

Does the 12V also crank the engine when it is commanded on or does that come from the HV battery?

Although I don't have first hand knowledge of this, it's been stated on this forum rather confidently that the HV batteries are used to start the engine. That's one reason the 12V battery is so small.

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[markfm]

The product description states "BM300 Pro battery monitor is compatible with all 6V/12V/24V 100-2000CCA lead-acid batteries, including conventional flooded, AGM flat plate, AGM spiral...", and at 5:00 minutes in the following review it shows AGM as a selection option:

Review:

(I'd checked for that before ordering it )

 

[swindler]

The product description states "BM300 Pro battery monitor is compatible with all 6V/12V/24V 100-2000CCA lead-acid batteries, including conventional flooded, AGM flat plate, AGM spiral...", and at 5:00 minutes in the following review it shows AGM as a selection option:
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Review:

(I'd checked for that before ordering it )

Right, I did too. I was asking about the Antigravity Battery Monitor Plus that @Starfish used to generate those graphs.

 

[markfm]

Based on the similarities in the phone apps (looks like they just picked different colors/background images - typically an app config file), I expect it's the same phone app, just tweaked by the vendor:


Based on the device specs (6/12/24 V, 72 day storage, Lithium/lead-acid/AGM battery support, 1mA current draw, cranking/charging tests,...) the innards may well be the same circuit board, just a repackaging (the plastic housing) of it for the two products.

 

[Starfish]

Great data. You're definitely more ambitious as me as I piddle with the BM300 Pro at home. Our Nautilus is at the dealer service shop. I'll likely install when we get it back.

My only question is whether the app allows you to select AGM vs a standard lead-acid? I ask because I didn't see AGM specifically mentioned in the specs and if it's using a standard lead-acid curve, it's SoC estimates may be slightly off.

Yes…there is a specific AGM selection

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[Starfish]

Based on the similarities in the phone apps (looks like they just picked different colors/background images - typically an app config file), I expect it's the same phone app, just tweaked by the vendor:
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Based on the device specs (6/12/24 V, 72 day storage, Lithium/lead-acid/AGM battery support, 1mA current draw, cranking/charging tests,...) the innards may well be the same circuit board, just a repackaging (the plastic housing) of it for the two products.

Agree

 

[Starfish]

So I am perplexed as to how the system continuously charges the 12 volt battery while Electric Driving (at speed or stopped or when auto-start kicks in when driving or stopped)? I have monitored the system real-time while driving and it maintains a constant 14.5 volt charge to the 12 volt battery (just during some recent short trips). I suspect it has to do with the eCVT and/or power from the hybrid drive battery. Can anyone here explain how this works?

 

[Jacyte]

I do want to get confirmation on how the jump start / box works on the hybrid. The 12V battery as I see it just runs the computer and the engine starts at some point when needed. Mine will stay in electric mode for some time. This means that when you push start you are NOT cranking an engine on hybrid If this is true, the jump box basically transfers power to 12V to get the computer up. Does the 12V also crank the engine when it is commanded on or does that come from the HV battery?

On the hybrid the engine is started using one of the 2 electric motors in the eCVT. There is no traditional starter. It uses the generator motor that also recharges the high voltage battery to start the gas engine using the high voltage battery only. The 12v system is reserved for accessory systems and system computers.

 

[Jacyte]

So I am perplexed as to how the system continuously charges the 12 volt battery while Electric Driving (at speed or stopped or when auto-start kicks in when driving or stopped)? I have monitored the system real-time while driving and it maintains a constant 14.5 volt charge to the 12 volt battery (just during some recent short trips). I suspect it has to do with the eCVT and/or power from the hybrid drive battery. Can anyone here explain how this works?

There is no auto start/ stop on the hybrids. The 12v system is charged using a battery management system powered by the high voltage system. the high voltage system is provided power from the smaller electric motor in the eCVT as you suspected. So basically it charges the high voltage system and the high voltage system charges the low voltage system.