2022 Navigator

But is that what’s happening? It doesn’t seem like any ‘22s have been produced at all…at dealers or custom orders.
Dealers are getting cars. There’s one in NYS with 4 new ones in transit(built and shipped). I’m actually going to call them about 1 of them. If they have it coming in why would I wait until June for mine.
I ordered early to get it early. It’s simple stuff. First in. First out.
 
Anyone rethinking their Navi purchase based on fuel prices? I have got to say that this is getting crazy. Wife's Rover actually does pretty well on fuel and I wasn't even thinking of MPG at $3.50 a gallon, but at $4,90 and climbing here in WA state, it's something to think about.

And, before you start flinging the "if you can't afford the gas, you can afford the vehicle" comments, we're cash buyers that can, most assuredly afford one, for me it is just asking myself, "Why". Sure long for those days of two dollar and something fuel. December of 2020, the National avg. fuel price was $2.195 a gallon. How do you like me now I guess...
 
Anyone rethinking their Navi purchase based on fuel prices?
No, but cash buy or not (i am too) we'd have to define "afford" since I'd still say if you can't 'afford' the gas the you can't afford the car.

"Afford" sort of implies living check to check or at a minimum having to compromise other things in your budget to fit it in ... if one is fortunate enough to have neither of those worries it probably also says you know what it means to earn and save ...

Which also says you know what it means to spend, i.e., you know it's the price of things paid + the opportunity cost, meaning investment income ...

And, if you're pretty pedantic about that then you know about the concept of "negative compounding" or the spend isn't just the spend it's also all the stuff that goes with the spend.

In short, one can extend the definition of "afford" to "mentally afford" and, if you can't mentally afford $5+/gallon gas then you can't afford the Navigator because, let's face it, gas prices fluctuate and have done so for 30 years.

The only way to avoid gas price fluctuation (i.e., some of the negative compounding) is an econobox or a BEV.

(as an example the BMW X5 45e will give you 40-50 miles of pure electric driving if you plug it in every night so it's conceivable you'd only fill up once every few months despite it's 6cyl engine. Some people are going 9-12 months!)
 
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No, but cash buy or not (i am too) we'd have to define "afford" since I'd still say if you can't 'afford' the gas the you can't afford the car.

"Afford" sort of implies living check to check or at a minimum having to compromise other things in your budget to fit it in ... if one is fortunate enough to have neither of those worries it probably also says you know what it means to earn and save ...

Which also says you know what it means to spend, i.e., you know it's the price of things paid + the opportunity cost, meaning investment income ...

And, if you're pretty pedantic about that then you know about the concept of "negative compounding" or the spend it's just the spend it's also all the stuff that goes with the spend.

In short, one can extend the definition of "afford" to "mentally afford" and, if you can't mentally afford $5+/gallon gas then you can't afford the Navigator because, let's face it, gas prices fluctuate and have done so for 30 years.

The only way to avoid gas price fluctuation (i.e., some of the negative compounding) is an econobox or a BEV.
Yeah, well. said. I attribute it to growing up poorer than a church mouse, working my way through corporate american, then starting my own business without taking a dime of other people's money. My friends simply refer to it as being cheap. IDK, I did buy a $180k boat for our lake house last November, so I am not opposed to spending money, I guess I am just ranting about the current state of affairs we find ourselves in and misery loves company... That said, I'm am heading to the MB dealership right now to check out a 450 just for fun.
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One of best reviews I've seen on the 'Gator to really understand the experience ... I don't get why these guys are so few views:


Interesting stat in here: the average age of a Navigator buyer is 50! That's roughly me and it's a heck of a lot lower than I'd guessed.
 
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I guess I am just ranting about the current state of affairs we find ourselves in
Wow, your level of concern is WAY lower than mine! Having lived in Minnesota and California for the last 30 years of adulthood gas would have to get to $7/gal for me to complain about it ... I could be wrong but $5/gal gas seems like the norm in my adult life so anything below $5 is like BONUS!
 
Wow, your level of concern is WAY lower than mine! Having lived in Minnesota and California for the last 30 years of adulthood gas would have to get to $7/gal for me to complain about it ... I could be wrong but $5/gal gas seems like the norm in my adult life so anything below $5 is like BONUS!
fair point, it is all relative. Perhaps my worries is that your new norm becomes $10 a gallon and my new norm becomes $7-$8 a gallon. If the MB EQB were out right now, I'd probably order it for my wife's DD and keep our 7 pass Rover for longer trips and summers at the lake. I may push the Mach e and keep the rover concept in front of her just to see what she says! We have a teen that is two years away from driving, so that would save me buying another car! Or, I can just work harder and make more money, there's always that!
 
fair point, it is all relative. Perhaps my worries is that your new norm becomes $10 a gallon and my new norm becomes $7-$8 a gallon. If the MB EQB were out right now, I'd probably order it for my wife's DD and keep our 7 pass Rover for longer trips and summers at the lake. I may push the Mach e and keep the rover concept in front of her just to see what she says! We have a teen that is two years away from driving, so that would save me buying another car! Or, I can just work harder and make more money, there's always that!
I hear ya - I'll get an EV for a DD if I'm in a position to have home charging infrastructure, but am not now as I'm kinda ronin these days - that's what the 'gator will be for is road trips. EVs just can't do those right yet - as an example, over the summer I was on a 3 hour drive through the mountains that ended up being 6+ hours due to a sudden fire that more/less shut down the freeway while we were at the top of the mountain. There were a few emergency gas stations there, but zero charging stations.
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Dealers are getting cars. There’s one in NYS with 4 new ones in transit(built and shipped). I’m actually going to call them about 1 of them. If they have it coming in why would I wait until June for mine.
I ordered early to get it early. It’s simple stuff. First in. First out.
It isn't as simple as that. Orders are built in the order they are received as closely as possible but there are also option considerations that come into play.

Vehicles are blended with varying levels of options to make the assembly process as productive as possible. There are far more standard orders than reserve; more reserve orders than Black Label. Combine this with the Expedition orders which are about 90% of production in the plant. These are also spread out by trim levels with the lower trim levels comprising the majority of production.

Then you have to take into account the microchip shortage has once again impacted Kentucky Truck where these vehicles are produced. The plant normally runs 3 shifts but was down to 1 shift for 2 weeks and is now down for this week completely.

There was also a shortage for black leather seats that impacted several plants.

An occasional call to the Lincoln concierge with polite complaining may garner you from freebies from Lincoln but that isn't guaranteed.

Good luck!
 
Anyone rethinking their Navi purchase based on fuel prices? I have got to say that this is getting crazy. Wife's Rover actually does pretty well on fuel and I wasn't even thinking of MPG at $3.50 a gallon, but at $4,90 and climbing here in WA state, it's something to think about.

And, before you start flinging the "if you can't afford the gas, you can afford the vehicle" comments, we're cash buyers that can, most assuredly afford one, for me it is just asking myself, "Why". Sure long for those days of two dollar and something fuel. December of 2020, the National avg. fuel price was $2.195 a gallon. How do you like me now I guess...
Quick question regarding paying cash. My husband and I could pay cash as well but with interest rates so low, why wouldn’t you finance it and put that cash in an investment that could earn you three times the interest rate you’re paying? Just wondering your thoughts on this as we’ve always gone back and forth about whether to pay cash for a car.
 
My husband contacted a Ford dealer about a truck. A F150 Lariat is taking 4-6 months to get in once ordered. For some reason I assumed they were producing trucks faster than that since they are there money makers.
 
Quick question regarding paying cash. My husband and I could pay cash as well but with interest rates so low, why wouldn’t you finance it and put that cash in an investment that could earn you three times the interest rate you’re paying? Just wondering your thoughts on this as we’ve always gone back and forth about whether to pay cash for a car.
Good question. Do you know of an investment right now that could earn me close to 6% interest. If so, I am moving my over to that right now! From what I am seeing, the lowest rate is 1.9% on 36 months via FCCC. If you are talking dividend stock, I would do that maybe last year or when 45th took office as I could easily make money; now, with current affairs, not so much. Maybe oil, but 25% of my portfolio is in oil stocks that I bought when (then president) Trump announced that oil was so low that he was filling up the reserves at the cheap price. I always watch presidential addresses with my trading account opened and that stock has tripled since I bought in early 2020. It's the only shinning start for me right now 😭.

That said, I could also take money out of our house, or our lake house which we paid cash for, but I am not willing to risk the money. Comfort vs. stress equation. I am risk averse for sure. Personally, I like knowing that if fit hit the shan, I have a place no one can take away. I am fortunate in that I don't have a desire for tons of money mostly because I have everything I ever wanted without being rich, so I can be risk averse and still be comfortable and happy about my station in life (above the below and below the upper).

If there were a no risk scenario that paid me 3x the loan interest rate, I'd take out every dollar of equity on our houses ASAP. Of course, so would everyone else. in the great words of the old lady in the commercial, "that's not how it works, that's not how any of this works..."

But, get your point and for those less risk averse than me, it's not a bad plan. I was just always taught by really rich people to never finance a depreciating asset. The CEO of a company I use to work for asked me if I could afford the porsche I had just bought. I assured him that I could and he well knew it based on my salary. He said, "did you finance it?". I said, "yes" and his response was, "then you can't afford it" and "if you have to finance a depreciating asset, you probably can't afford it"

So, hope that wasn't TLDR. As I mentioned, my views are shaped a lot by growing up poor. So there's that! Good luck getting your rig.
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Good question. Do you know of an investment right now that could earn me close to 6% interest. If so, I am moving my over to that right now! From what I am seeing, the lowest rate is 1.9% on 36 months via FCCC. If you are talking dividend stock, I would do that maybe last year or when 45th took office as I could easily make money; now, with current affairs, not so much. Maybe oil, but 25% of my portfolio is in oil stocks that I bought when (then president) Trump announced that oil was so low that he was filling up the reserves at the cheap price. I always watch presidential addresses with my trading account opened and that stock has tripled since I bought in early 2020. It's the only shinning start for me right now 😭.

That said, I could also take money out of our house, or our lake house which we paid cash for, but I am not willing to risk the money. Comfort vs. stress equation. I am risk averse for sure. Personally, I like knowing that if fit hit the shan, I have a place no one can take away. I am fortunate in that I don't have a desire for tons of money mostly because I have everything I ever wanted without being rich, so I can be risk averse and still be comfortable and happy about my station in life (above the below and below the upper).

If there were a no risk scenario that paid me 3x the loan interest rate, I'd take out every dollar of equity on our houses ASAP. Of course, so would everyone else. in the great words of the old lady in the commercial, "that's not how it works, that's not how any of this works..."

But, get your point and for those less risk averse than me, it's not a bad plan. I was just always taught by really rich people to never finance a depreciating asset. The CEO of a company I use to work for asked me if I could afford the porsche I had just bought. I assured him that I could and he well knew it based on my salary. He said, "did you finance it?". I said, "yes" and his response was, "then you can't afford it" and "if you have to finance a depreciating asset, you probably can't afford it"

So, hope that wasn't TLDR. As I mentioned, my views are shaped a lot by growing up poor. So there's that! Good luck getting your rig.
Thanks for the reply. We actually averaged 8% return last year in our investments with Northwestern Mutual. I think we are definitely less risk averse than you may be. Not sure of your age but we are in our mid 40’s and aside from our investments with Northwestern, we have a pretty sizable 401k with our employer. So that helps for sure. Given our age we are able to be more aggressive with our investments, but that will change in about five years as my husband would like to be able to retire, if he wants, at age 55.

We will definitely not be pulling out the equity in our house and investing it with Northwestern though! 😂 Obviously real estate is a better investment than a Navigator. But they are so nice to drive!

Again, thanks for the reply.
 
Stopped off at my dealer to talk about why I’m now delayed into May. Sounds like they have run out of certain leather colors. If you are willing to change to Sandlewood or Chalet you’ll probably jump the line and get built quickly.
 
Stopped off at my dealer to talk about why I’m now delayed into May. Sounds like they have run out of certain leather colors. If you are willing to change to Sandlewood or Chalet you’ll probably jump the line and get built quickly.
My interior is sandlewood and I’m still scheduled for first week of May. Reserve L, no ent system.
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I don't see a color for the Reserve called Sandlewood. I do see Sandstone. I went through all the exterior colors on the Build And Price on Lincoln's site.
 
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