What are your likes and dislikes concerning the Lincoln Corsair?

[grum.man]

Generally speaking, it SHOULD be more comfortable than a Chevy Equinox...that's a pretty low bar. I was comparing it to my previous Lincoln's.

You’d be surprised. There are a lot of things I find more premium in my equinox.

 

[Frank J]

You’d be surprised. There are a lot of things I find more premium in my equinox.

Perhaps I should rephrase that. It SHOULD be a pretty low bar. If it's not, it's either a testimony to how far Chevy has upped its game or how far Lincoln has regressed. I'm not knocking the Equinox at all, what I meant was that the Lincoln should be head & shoulders above, and in several ways it's apparently not. I apologize if I was initially misunderstood.

 

[grum.man]

Perhaps I should rephrase that. It SHOULD be a pretty low bar. If it's not, it's either a testimony to how far Chevy has upped its game or how far Lincoln has regressed. I'm not knocking the Equinox at all, what I meant was that the Lincoln should be head & shoulders above, and in several ways it's apparently not. I apologize if I was initially misunderstood.

Oh not at all. The interior materials are no comparison without a doubt. The Lincoln is quieter and rides better especially given the 19” wheels. The Lincoln really doesn’t have anything the equinox did not though. I think the Equinox was better to drive, has a better infotainment, better camera system, felt better screwed together, bigger, and I prefer the Bose to the Reval. I also think the ventilated seats in the Equinox were better, and the auto high beam was a bottom on the turn signal instead of a hurried menu item.

 

[syl]

Grum.man, does your Corsair have the co-pilot 360-plus package? Mine does (as did my 2020), and although I rather rarely even glance at the screen image when backing up, I find that when I do look at it the picture is quite clear; That's why I'm asking.

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[grum.man]

Grum.man, does your Corsair have the co-pilot 360-plus package? Mine does (as did my 2020), and although I rather rarely even glance at the screen image when backing up, I find that when I do look at it the picture is quite clear; That's why I'm asking.

Yes it does. Mind you, the camera isn't Toyota bad, but no where near BMW and GM good.

 

[DrivingEnthusiast]

After 5000+ miles in my new 2022 Corsair Reserve 2.3 AWD, and 3500 of them in a single long driving trip just finished, here are my initial comments.
- seats are great. Not the fancy seats, unfortunately those were lost in the supply chain, but the standard seats. I put up to 8 hours at a time in these without any issue and felt fine.
- Great 2.3 DOHC EcoBoost engine: 295 horses (45-horse gain), 310 lb-ft (30 gain), and a stronger transmission.
- But like too many Fords that I've owned with a great engine that is less than fully exploitable by it's transmission - the 8-speed transmission is a bit of a let-down because it shifts too slowly. Since the new 7-speed in the Edge ST is just software change... and shifts far faster... no, we'll never see that. Oh well. I really wanted nothing do to with a CVT (having put 50k miles on a Fusion Hybrid, where that was the weakest feature, and since the Corsair CVT has the same basic unit), I am much happier with this 8-speed by comparison to the CVT.
- Intelligent AWD system (+140 pounds, but still 700 less than the Grand Touring). Smooth and transparent.
- Drive modes - several and all very helpful in a range of climates.
- auto stop/start should be able to be disabled from the driver profile. I have to constantly turn it off in stop-and-go traffic. And the aircon goes off when the engine goes off. It's "Hot" as heck here in Texas and the aircon switching on and off is no good.
- we had a loaded current CX-5 previously and dumped it. It's a POS, terrible handling and braking, brake dive, terrible brakes, absolute junk infotainment (nav+entertainment) and flat seats. And it's automatic "safety" braking was dangerous - it slammed on the brakes. By contrast the Corsair AWD 2.3 handles far flatter, more competently, brakes flatter and better, and has a far superior infotainment. IMHO, infotainment "makes" the car, and Ford/Lincoln's is far better to use with a touch screen and no idiot dial to twirl. That said, there is too much extraneous data on the nav screen and that covers up too much of the map. My previous sync system, in a a 2018 Fusion Hybrid, at version 3.2, didn't cover up so much (3.4 caused that). Of course the larger 2023 screen would be better but it's maybe too large for the placement (blame the architecture of the Edge/Corsair/Maverick/Focus dashboard frame - all of which have the same basic hardpoints).
- dash lighting is too dim... even turned up all the way. Lincoln: could this be adjusted with a TSB?
- the rear window is too short. Makes the view out the back difficult. Since the platform is shared with the Escape and Bronco Sport, the hard points are set.
- 2.3 mileage isn't great, but it can achieve it's EPA if you try. Tip-off is a bit abrupt so that makes it harder to drive smoothly. And if the darned engine shuts off then it's an even longer wait. "Excite" mode is fun and I wish I could set a default mode in my profile!
- aircon needs to be an electronic compressor just like the hybrid engine has so that it doesn't go off when the engine does the start/stop act.
- brakes work fine... but are smallish. Since the Euro Focus ST is on the same platform... maybe those much larger brakes fit? I'd order them if any Ford dealers in Britain would ship internationally again (they stopped for some reason, I had a great one to get me the Euro console for my Focus RS and then they all quit).
- styling: very nicely proportioned, just like a smaller Aviator. The grill is livable - but the 2023 grill is downright ugly and ridiculously so - it brings to mind the wretched excess of the 70s and 80s Lincolns. You wrecked the 2023. Thank goodness for the spy pics showing it so that I didn't hold off for 2023.
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Message to Lincoln: too bad the future unannounced 2.3 ecoboost hybrid engine seems to be out of the product plan for all the vehicles it might have gone into...? Right around 350HP and a huge gain in torque would be fun! C2 is easily up to the task.
Would I buy another? No need to - because the next Corsair will have dual electric motors and AWD... and even more power (lots more!). That will make the Lincoln concept perfect.

 

[Frank J]

After 5000+ miles in my new 2022 Corsair Reserve 2.3 AWD, and 3500 of them in a long driving trip just finished, here are my initial comments.
- seats are great. Not the fancy seats, unfortunately those were lost in the supply chain. I put up to 8 hours at a time in these without any issue.
- 8-speed transmission shifts too slowly. Since the new 7-speed in the Edge ST is just software change... and shifts far faster... no, we'll never see that. Oh well. I wanted nothing do to with another CVT (having put 50k miles on a Fusion Hybrid, where that was the weakest feature, and since the Corsair CVT is the same basic unit), I am much happier with this 8-speed by comparison.
- auto stop/start should be disable-able from the profile. I have to turn it off in stop-and-go traffic constantly. And the aircon goes off when the engine goes off.
- we had a loaded current CX-5 previously and dumped it. It's a POS, terrible handling and braking, brake dive, terrible brakes, and absolute junk infotainment (nav+entertainment). ANd it's automatic braking was dangerous - it slammed on the brakes. By contrast the Corsair AWD 2.3 handles far flatter, more competently, brakes flatter and better, and has a far superior infotainment. IMHO, infotainment "makes" the car, and Ford/Lincoln's is far better. That said, there is too much extraneous data on the nav screen that covers up too much of the map. My previous sync system, in a a 2018 Fusion Hybrid, at version 3.2, didn't cover up so much. Of course the larger 2023 screen would be better but it's maybe too large for the placement.
- dash lighting is too dim... even turned up all the way. Could this be adjusted with a TSB?
- 2.3 mileage isn't great, but it can achieve it's EPA if you try. Tip-off is a bit abrupt so that makes it harder to drive smoothly. And if the darned engine shuts off then it's an even longer wait. "Excite" mode is fun and I wish I could set a default mode in my profile!
- aircon needs to be an electronic compressor like the hybrid engine has so that it doesn't go off when the engine does the start/stop act.
- brakes work fine... but are smallish. Since the Euro Focus ST is on the same platform... maybe those much larger brakes fit?
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Ford: too bad the future 2.3 ecoboost hybrid engine seems to be out of the product plan...? Right around 350HP and a huge gain in torque would be fun! But if the future Corsair EV has dual electric motors and AWD, I'll buy.

I wholeheartedly agree on the excessive "clutter" overlaid upon the nav screen...extremely annoying. I have a 2.0 and find it way more than adequate with far better fuel economy than the 2.3 which devours a lot of extra fuel for a paltry amount of additional horsepower that is barely noticeable. Agree, the excite mode makes the car a real beast, though I generally use normal mode. I will attest that Lincoln Drive Control actually works...I live in a northern climate, and the slippery and deep modes are a godsend. If you're good with the seats, God's speed...I personally find them deplorable. Overall, though, after 50,000 miles, it's been a good car.

 

[DrivingEnthusiast]

295 HP vs 250 HP is indeed a big difference. And 1 MPG less in EPA. I test drove both extensively. The AWD has traction and balance that FWD will never have. And the 2.3 has mid-range the 2.0 doesn't have as much of.
If anything the Corsair has more power than needed for it's mission. Here, where we have an 85 MPH speed limit on the biggest roads, and 75 on many more, it's a rare day when I haven't done at least 80 on these roads. Like tonight going out for dinner across town. The car is effortless to get there.
Several few years ago I had a 2.0 EB Fusion Platinum... the problem with that car was an excellent chassis in need of more power... the solution was the 2.7 TT EB which was *great*, but had to be driven very carefully to get upper 20s on the highway. It also brought bigger discs and better springs and dampers.
So my Corsair has the 2.3. Last chance until it goes all-electric and will then easily have 400 HP.

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[Frank J]

295 HP vs 250 HP is indeed a big difference. And 1 MPG less in EPA. I test drove both extensively. The AWD has traction and balance that FWD will never have. And the 2.3 has mid-range the 2.0 doesn't have as much of.
If anything the Corsair has more power than needed for it's mission. Here, where we have an 85 MPH speed limit on the biggest roads, and 75 on many more, it's a rare day when I haven't done at least 80 on these roads. Like tonight going out for dinner across town. The car is effortless to get there.
Several few years ago I had a 2.0 EB Fusion Platinum... the problem with that car was an excellent chassis in need of more power... the solution was the 2.7 TT EB which was *great*, but had to be driven very carefully to get upper 20s on the highway. It also brought bigger discs and better springs and dampers.
So my Corsair has the 2.3. Last chance until it goes all-electric and will then easily have 400 H

295 HP vs 250 HP is indeed a big difference. And 1 MPG less in EPA. I test drove both extensively. The AWD has traction and balance that FWD will never have. And the 2.3 has mid-range the 2.0 doesn't have as much of.
If anything the Corsair has more power than needed for it's mission. Here, where we have an 85 MPH speed limit on the biggest roads, and 75 on many more, it's a rare day when I haven't done at least 80 on these roads. Like tonight going out for dinner across town. The car is effortless to get there.
Several few years ago I had a 2.0 EB Fusion Platinum... the problem with that car was an excellent chassis in need of more power... the solution was the 2.7 TT EB which was *great*, but had to be driven very carefully to get upper 20s on the highway. It also brought bigger discs and better springs and dampers.
So my Corsair has the 2.3. Last chance until it goes all-electric and will then easily have 400 HP.

In 2020 (my model year) the base engine was 250hp and the 2.3 optional engine was 280hp. After driving both at the time, I noticed very little difference, or at least not enough to motivate me to spend the extra money. It appears that the 2.3 now has been upped to 295hp as you state, so that's probably why you're feeling a more noticeable difference between the two than I did on the 2020 models.

 

[Byoozoo]

Pros:
-Pretty tight handling
-2.0 engine is peppy, really moves in excite mode
-nice looking
-quality interior, although a few cheap spots like the center of the steering wheel - like really? Hard plastic?
-good gas mileage
-takes Michigan roads pretty decently

Cons:
-hood is super thin- annoying watching it bounce around on the freeway
-why does the drive mode selector not move to another mode when I click it three times? Yes I know you’re in normal mode, I’m trying to switch it click click click click.
-rattles-if I turn my music up just loud enough I can’t hear them. Or maybe if I tap here or push there it’ll stop-oh, that worked oh it’s back To doing it
-almost forgot to add this: is the popping sound from the front suspension normal when exiting from park to either reverse or put in D?

 

[syl]

-why does the drive mode selector not move to another mode when I click it three times? Yes I know you’re in normal mode, I’m trying to switch it click click click click.

*turn* (rotate) the drive mode selector knob to switch driving modes.

-rattles-if I turn my music up just loud enough I can’t hear them. Or maybe if I tap here or push there it’ll stop-oh, that worked oh it’s back To doing it

Hrmmm ... if you can narrow down the source of the rattling (some folks have narrowed rattles down to a trim piece around the sunroof, for example), it might be worth discussing with (and demonstrating to) your dealer's service department. I've now owned two Corsairs, a 2020 Standard and a 2022 Reserve, neither with a sunroof, and both are quite remarkably quiet.

-almost forgot to add this: is the popping sound from the front suspension normal when exiting from park to either reverse or put in D?

Definitely not normal, no. Mine makes no such popping sound, nor did my 2020.

 

[bigblue2007]

Pros:
-Pretty tight handling
-2.0 engine is peppy, really moves in excite mode
-nice looking
-quality interior, although a few cheap spots like the center of the steering wheel - like really? Hard plastic?
-good gas mileage
-takes Michigan roads pretty decently

Cons:
-hood is super thin- annoying watching it bounce around on the freeway
-why does the drive mode selector not move to another mode when I click it three times? Yes I know you’re in normal mode, I’m trying to switch it click click click click.
-rattles-if I turn my music up just loud enough I can’t hear them. Or maybe if I tap here or push there it’ll stop-oh, that worked oh it’s back To doing it
-almost forgot to add this: is the popping sound from the front suspension normal when exiting from park to either reverse or put in D?

The center of the steering wheel on the 2020 wasn’t hard plastic. The 21 I have is. Very tacky.

My 21 is a rattler too. It didn’t at first but the headliner rattles over bumps.

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[grum.man]

Pros:
-Pretty tight handling
-2.0 engine is peppy, really moves in excite mode
-nice looking
-quality interior, although a few cheap spots like the center of the steering wheel - like really? Hard plastic?
-good gas mileage
-takes Michigan roads pretty decently

Cons:
-hood is super thin- annoying watching it bounce around on the freeway
-why does the drive mode selector not move to another mode when I click it three times? Yes I know you’re in normal mode, I’m trying to switch it click click click click.
-rattles-if I turn my music up just loud enough I can’t hear them. Or maybe if I tap here or push there it’ll stop-oh, that worked oh it’s back To doing it
-almost forgot to add this: is the popping sound from the front suspension normal when exiting from park to either reverse or put in D?

The digital instrument cluster is terribly laggy. It's extremely frustrating. And yes there are rattles, squeaks, rubbing noises all over the interior. But no I don't have any popping noises from the front end at least not yet. I don't have high hopes for the long term durability of this thing.

 

[grum.man]

Does anyone else have issues with the seat bottom feeling loose? It's like sitting on a bar stool with one un-even leg. Dealer claims it is normal.... To be fair the dealer response to the rain sensing wipers that go bananas at even a hint of moisture was that "customer had feature disabled". lol

 

[Frank J]

The digital instrument cluster is terribly laggy. It's extremely frustrating. And yes there are rattles, squeaks, rubbing noises all over the interior. But no I don't have any popping noises from the front end at least not yet. I don't have high hopes for the long term durability of this thing.

The default mode is Normal. Rotate the knob gently either counterclockwise or clockwise one click and Normal displays first, rotate it again gently one click at a time either clockwise or counterclockwise and the next choices display. When you land on your choice, stop turning it and it'll stay in the most recent mode displayed.

 

[grum.man]

The default mode is Normal. Rotate the knob gently either counterclockwise or clockwise one click and Normal displays first, rotate it again gently one click at a time either clockwise or counterclockwise and the next choices display. When you land on your choice, stop turning it and it'll stay in the most recent mode displayed.

Um, I know how it works…

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[Frank J]

Um, I know how it works…

Response was meant for someone else.

 

[JB IN AZ]

Does anyone else have issues with the seat bottom feeling loose? It's like sitting on a bar stool with one un-even leg. Dealer claims it is normal..... lol

Yes, there is a TSB about this. When I have time I will search for the post here that has the details. I had it on my '21 (totaled) and also on my '22 tat replaced it. Both were fixed. BUT, I have a lot of noise coming from the seat in the '22. (it has the 24 way seats) Squeaking, creaking... Dealer was no help with these noises. I am 5'11' about 205lbs, so not too overweight.

Try post #20 here Seat movement on turning in Corsair GT

 

[syl]

Does anyone else have issues with the seat bottom feeling loose?

Others have reported that, yes. I gather that dealerships apply bubblegum and bailing wire to the correct locations, and the problem goes away. I've not experienced this in either my 2020 Standard nor my 2022 Reserve.

 

[Frank J]

Yes, there is a TSB about this. When I have time I will search for the post here that has the details. I had it on my '21 (totaled) and also on my '22 tat replaced it. Both were fixed. BUT, I have a lot of noise coming from the seat in the '22. (it has the 24 way seats) Squeaking, creaking... Dealer was no help with these noises. I am 5'11' about 205lbs, so not too overweight.

What I've learned about this car after 2.5 years of owning it is that the dealer generally turns a deaf ear to non-life-threatening complaints. Overall, it's been a decent car, but if you gripe about something smallish in their eyes, they generally point the finger back at you. They don't seem interested in hearing anything negative about it, unless it's to resolve a recall. The solution is you just live with it until trade in time, unless it's something major that the manufacturer identified as something that may kill you.