Questions about the Corsair GT PHEV...

[JimReid]

How 71? Primarily because Pure EV mode is 99.9(?), I charge back to 95% whenever I'm back at home, and a lot of my trips are shorter than the up to 35 miles EV range (though I now think the actual average EV range may be closer to 20).

And it helps too that I don't do the up to 90mph (?) that it seems a disturbing few do. I'm scrupules about the speed limit and generally max at 72 even if limit higher.

Aha now I see. But what does it do to you electric bill? My wife said mine is going out of site.

 

[dogo88]

I've had my GT since Jan 2022. I am retired and do mostly local trips and charge whenever the battery is not full. I do an occasional 50+ mile trip, perhaps once a week or so. My current mileage is a bit under 6K.

MPG on the Corsair are hard to calculate because the number the vehicle software supplies doesn't take battery recharging into focus. So in the truest sense mph is relative to gas usage. If you drive without recharging from the grid then you will get a better indication as to what it costs to drive the Corsair.

I have kept my fuel receipts and monitor my electric usage. By the end of the year I will get a better indication of my costs. To date my electric usage has gone up about 3 kW a day. and for the past 11 months I have consumed about 800 kW than I used last year. This equates at my average monthly rate of $.15 per kw, to $120. Gas cost since I got the vehicle is $210.21. For a total of $330.21.

My prior vehicle was a 2019 FFH. Gas costs for 2022 was about $1000. I still have 2 months to go but right now it looks like the GT is better than the FFH which I thought was an excellent gas usage vehicle. I will admit that my numbers are a bit general but getting down to the specific cost per actual mile I drove is not an exercise that I wanted to do. I wanted a bit larger, more comfortable vehicle that would get similar mileage to my FFH. So far the GT has been all that for me.

 

[RedHoncho]

I installed a ChargePoint in my garage. The app for ChargePoint has inputs for who your local utility provider is along with costs per KWH from that utility provider.

Based upon my provider and the ChargePoint app, it costs me US$1.57 to charge my vehicle from 0 to 100%. Your costs will be different based upon what your utility charges for electricity.

 

[dogo88]

My cost is about the same. Charges at 1 kW for a bit less than 10 hours according to the Lincoln App. At my average $.15 per kW it comes to $1.55. Some months a tad lower. Highest I've seen is $.155 per kWh. Lowest was $.135 per kWh. A full charge gets me around 30+ miles depending on traffic. So I estimate I get similar mileage between a gal of gas and a full charge. Gas would have to be less than $2.00 a gal for it to be competitive to charging.

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[TimCooper]

Hi All! I have attached a photo of the spread sheet I use to track consumption of charging electricity and gas consumed on our 22 GT. I have put in about 17718kms (bit over 11000 miles). I have charged over 300 times over the past 18 months. According to the instrument panel I am currently averaging 3.9 L/100 kms ( 73 mpg) which I find to be amazing considering. I have never reset the mileage calculator from day one of picking up the GT. I know in other discussions on the forum I have reported the same information, although this is current to today. From the small sample you can see all the details ( I think).
Tim.

 

[Corsair GT]

I have noticed that there are 2 different MPG numbers on my 2023 Corsair GT. On the instrument panel trip computer, I see about 41 MPG, which is my combination of gas and electric miles per gallon of gas. On the sync 4 Nav screen, I see 32 MPG which I believe is my gas miles per gallon. Disclaimer, we use the car mainly for long mostly highway road trips, so the numbers are consistent with expectations. Can anyone verify that the MPG I see on the Nav screen is correct in that it is gas only miles per gallon?

 

[greerl]

Aha now I see. But what does it do to you electric bill? My wife said mine is going out of site.

According to my Charge Point app, a 24 mile charge cost $1.59. This is substantially more than in my ignorance I'd expected but still less than gas would have cost if those miles using ICE.

 

[JimReid]

According to my Charge Point app, a 24 mile charge cost $1.59. This is substantially more than in my ignorance I'd expected but still less than gas would have cost if those miles using ICE.

The best that I can figure the electric costs is .16565830 per KWh and it takes approx. 10hrs to fully charge from zero. So a full charge would cost 1.65 for approx 33 miles or .05 per mile. The price of gas would have to be lower that 1.65 per gallon to be worth not using the electric. If my calculations are correct.

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[kingdre]

1) What is the typical range in miles you're getting in electric mode?
The car says 27 miles in warm weather (we got the car end of August). In cold weather (it's in the 30's now) it says 21 miles when charged. I consistently get a few more miles than it initially reports.
2) Is the 2.5L I-4 engine noisy especially at full power?
When it suddenly runs out of battery going up a hill, the ICE engine noise is very noticeable - cold engine, battery mode is very quiet. It's not super loud, just noticeable. On the freeway, when the battery runs out, the ICE engine is very quiet.
3) Do you think the Corsair GT PHEV will qualify for a $7500 incentive in January of '24 when the new Inflation Reduction Act incentives kick in? I've tried to do some research and haven't found an answer.
No idea about 2024; I think we're getting 3750 back this year.
4) What standard configuration does the charge port use i.e. J1772?
Yes, J1772, and empty to full takes about 3.5 hours on 220V
5) Have you had any issues with the hybrid power train so far?
Drive train has been great. We do have a "communications module" failure (no Lincoln Way or Blue Cruise or Lane Centering) and a warranty appointment scheduled.

Also, in our normal usage, it routinely reports 99.9MPG (which I assume is the max it can report). I set the trip odometer to measure between gas fills and the last one I calculated 99.2MPG. Overall, since new, the car reports 48MPG which includes three 600-ish mile trips. Highway mileage appears to be in the mid 30's. Although one of these trips we had a strong headwind all the way home and got 29MPG... We have a total of 1900-ish miles so far...

Oh, and we really like the car - very comfortable, pretty quiet, and the BlueCruise was cool while it worked...

I love how you described the engine noise as "noticeable". Best word ever.

 

[kingdre]

Hi All! I have attached a photo of the spread sheet I use to track consumption of charging electricity and gas consumed on our 22 GT. I have put in about 17718kms (bit over 11000 miles). I have charged over 300 times over the past 18 months. According to the instrument panel I am currently averaging 3.9 L/100 kms ( 73 mpg) which I find to be amazing considering. I have never reset the mileage calculator from day one of picking up the GT. I know in other discussions on the forum I have reported the same information, although this is current to today. From the small sample you can see all the details ( I think).
Tim.

I do my mileage in tanks on trip 1 and 10k mile increments on trip 2. Helps me better see. This GT I have now is a replacement from one bought new, so I had to get it to 30k miles, but when I got it, the original driver never changed either. Averaged 28.6 mpg over 26k miles. HORRIBLE for PHEV! They lost the charger cord I believe so just used it as hybrid. I also always make sure the math verifies.

 

[JimReid]

My milage on electric varies based on the weather. Colder weather and using heater drops the milage and warm weather not using the heater increases the milage. Generally between 27 and 33 mile per charge. I only charge with the 110 volt charger so it takes about 10 hours to fully charge from zero to full. My gas milage varies also but is generally around 30-33mpg. Since the electric is cheaper I use the normal mode to use all the electric before using the ICE. Most of the time the trips are short and I only use electric and then plug it in when I get home for the next trip but in any case I use the electric first then the ICE.

 

[kingdre]

I've had my GT since Jan 2022. I am retired and do mostly local trips and charge whenever the battery is not full. I do an occasional 50+ mile trip, perhaps once a week or so. My current mileage is a bit under 6K.

MPG on the Corsair are hard to calculate because the number the vehicle software supplies doesn't take battery recharging into focus. So in the truest sense mph is relative to gas usage. If you drive without recharging from the grid then you will get a better indication as to what it costs to drive the Corsair.

I have kept my fuel receipts and monitor my electric usage. By the end of the year I will get a better indication of my costs. To date my electric usage has gone up about 3 kW a day. and for the past 11 months I have consumed about 800 kW than I used last year. This equates at my average monthly rate of $.15 per kw, to $120. Gas cost since I got the vehicle is $210.21. For a total of $330.21.

My prior vehicle was a 2019 FFH. Gas costs for 2022 was about $1000. I still have 2 months to go but right now it looks like the GT is better than the FFH which I thought was an excellent gas usage vehicle. I will admit that my numbers are a bit general but getting down to the specific cost per actual mile I drove is not an exercise that I wanted to do. I wanted a bit larger, more comfortable vehicle that would get similar mileage to my FFH. So far the GT has been all that for me.

YES! Way better with the EV usage. I had a 2017 Fusion Hybrid, then a 2019 Lincoln MKZ Hybrid. The mpg is easy for me, as the display is very, very accurate. Figuring out the cost to charge isnt easy though lol.

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[JimReid]

I noticed that a full charge was 33miles in warm weather and 22 in cold weather. Don't understand the charge difference. I also noticed that the charge went down faster in cold weather, I assume its because of heater, etc.

 

[TimCooper]

I noticed that a full charge was 33miles in warm weather and 22 in cold weather. Don't understand the charge difference. I also noticed that the charge went down faster in cold weather, I assume its because of heater, etc.

Hi Jim, my thoughts are is that turning gears and wheels to move vehicle in cold weather will definitely effect ev range negatively. On the heater running. I watch the power flow often to see where the wheels are getting power from. In our climate where we are typically at or below freezing when the car called for heat Inside cabin tHe ICE kicks in to create heat. I keep heater settings on auto most of the time so the running of a fan motor to move the heat created by the ICE will drain some ev range, but assume it would be minimal as I have the auto setting on heater running all the time.
Tim.

 

[JimReid]

Hi Jim, my thoughts are is that turning gears and wheels to move vehicle in cold weather will definitely effect ev range negatively. On the heater running. I watch the power flow often to see where the wheels are getting power from. In our climate where we are typically at or below freezing when the car called for heat Inside cabin tHe ICE kicks in to create heat. I keep heater settings on auto most of the time so the running of a fan motor to move the heat created by the ICE will drain some ev range, but assume it would be minimal as I have the auto setting on heater running all the time.
Tim.

I agree with you Tim. I was really curious about the full charge only being 22 miles in cold weather and 33 in warmer weather. This is before even moving the car after a full charge.

 

[RedHoncho]

I agree with you Tim. I was really curious about the full charge only being 22 miles in cold weather and 33 in warmer weather. This is before even moving the car after a full charge.

Colder weather affects all battery powered vehicles whether they are full EV or PHEV. You can mitigate some of the range loss by doing what is called preconditioning the vehicle.

For the Corsair Grand Touring, this would mean having the vehicle plugged in for charging and using the Lincoln Way app to set up a departure time. This will set up the vehicle to warm the batteries before your departure time. That in turn will increase your EV range but still probably not as much as if there were warmer temperatures outside.

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[JimReid]

Colder weather affects all battery powered vehicles whether they are full EV or PHEV. You can mitigate some of the range loss by doing what is called preconditioning the vehicle.

For the Corsair Grand Touring, this would mean having the vehicle plugged in for charging and using the Lincoln Way app to set up a departure time. This will set up the vehicle to warm the batteries before your departure time. That in turn will increase your EV range but still probably not as much as if there were warmer temperatures outside.

But warming the batteries will then use some of the battery power to warm them. Sounds counter productive to me. Also you would have to know when you are going to use the car ahead of time which in my case very seldom happens.

 

[RedHoncho]

But warming the batteries will then use some of the battery power to warm them. Sounds counter productive to me. Also you would have to know when you are going to use the car ahead of time which in my case very seldom happens.

You must have the vehicle plugged into the charger for this procedure. It works for those on a regular schedule best I’m retired so my time of departure is different every day.

 

[Sharbotcom]

You must have the vehicle plugged into the charger for this procedure. It works for those on a regular schedule best I’m retired so my time of departure is different every day.

I really wish they had a "Leaving in 10 minutes" button.

 

[greerl]

But warming the batteries will then use some of the battery power to warm them. Sounds counter productive to me. Also you would have to know when you are going to use the car ahead of time which in my case very seldom happens.

Not at all . The precondition power comes from your charger. Would be an interesting study to try to determine rate of cooling to point of no precondition benefit but my guess is that cool off time is enough that you'd benefit by going ahead with preconditioning even if it turned out to be hours before departure. My further guess is that so long as you keep the car plugged in, it will continue keeping the car ready to go indefinitely. Anybody know about that?