Lincoln Corsair Standard Seats - I can't stand them any longer...

[heywardjr]

That's good to hear. Is a TSB like a recall? In other words, if I scheduled an appointment to get the seat tightened is it covered? I would kind of think it would be under a new vehicle warranty.

If a TSB still exists does it cover the 22 model?

My seat does that a little on hard turns but I checked and there is no TSB for the 22 Corsair. None at all listed for my VIN.

 

[marlisig]

This is an interesting thread. I test drove a standard and a standard with the Elements package. I really wanted the Elements ppackage with the Convenience package but hated the seats. My wife and I both noticed that the ventilated seats had a hard part that hit us both in the middle of the upper back. It was very noticeable and uncomfortable. We are both fairly thin and it was a real annoyance.

The standard (non-ventilated) seats didn’t have that issue and were super comfortable. The only thing I can think is that the ventilation mechanism is located in the seat back. So, I went with the non-ventilated seats.

 

[JB IN AZ]

My seat does that a little on hard turns but I checked and there is no TSB for the 22 Corsair. None at all listed for my VIN.

Well...I had it done on my 21, then I noticed the same behavior, but less severe on my 22, and the same dealer said no problem, we know how to fix.

 

[NJRonbo]

OH! I had it done to my '22 as well! I have a lot going on right now and totally forgot. I am a little surprised they didn't fix it at the factory, but it is tight now.

My 22 has the 24 way seats.

There was no charge for either car, 21 or 22.

JB,

Made an appointment next month with my local Lincoln service dealership for the seat tightening.
Appreciate the information.

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[bbf2530]

That's good to hear. Is a TSB like a recall? In other words, if I scheduled an appointment to get the seat tightened is it covered? I would kind of think it would be under a new vehicle warranty.

If a TSB still exists does it cover the 22 model?

Hi NJRonbo. I think there may be some confusion out there as to what a TSB is and what it means when others speak of a TSB "covering" certain vehicles, model years etc. Action explained it well. In the vast majority of cases, TSB's do not affect or extend our 4 year/50,000 mile New Vehicle Warranty or 6 year/70,000 mile Powertrain Warranty.
A new vehicle is covered under warranty, and we don't need a TSB to have a problem corrected and covered under warranty.

A simple explanation: TSB's can address various issues in various ways. For example...In cases like a rocking seat issue, a TSB simply tells the Dealership/Tech (a simplified explanation...lol),"We have seen this issue previously and know what the problem is and now know what caused it. So to save yourself time and effort, here is the solution, what to do, the parts you may need, etc...".

In this way, the Service Department does not waste time trying to figure out what is wrong, what is the cause, how do we solve it, what parts to order if necessary, etc. etc. The TSB tells them what the underlying cause is, what to do to fix it, how to do it, what parts to order, etc. etc. In this way, Ford saves on warranty costs, the Dealership saves time, and paying customers hopefully save money too.

As far as what models and model years a TSB covers: The "covered models/model years" (and sometimes down to a month/day of production), simply means that a particular issue was found to be relatively prevalent in those models and model years, up until the underlying issue was discovered and corrected on the assembly line. Could have been due to a bad batch of parts, an improperly working robot, a faulty tool, a sloppy assembly line worker etc.

In the case of a rocking seat (I'm making this up)...It could have been due to an improperly calibrated torque wrench which did not tighten down the seat bolts properly for 6 months (make up any number), until it was discovered and fixed. So now the owners of those vehicles which were made during that 6 month period are experiencing the problem and going back to the Dealership for service, and Dealers are then reporting a lot of warranty claims for rocking/loose seats. So Lincoln investigates, finds the cause, then issues a TSB explaining that they are aware of the issue, and here is the procedure and parts necessary to fix it quickly and easily. Again, that is just a simplified explanation.

And again, if a vehicle is still covered under the New Vehicle Warranty, all work like this is covered, TSB or not. So always bring a vehicle in to the Dealership for service work if you have issues under warranty.

Hope this is somewhat understandable, and good luck.

 

[NJRonbo]

Hi NJRonbo. I think there may be some confusion out there as to what a TSB is and what it means when others speak of a TSB "covering" certain vehicles, model years etc. Action explained it well. In the vast majority of cases, TSB's do not affect or extend our 4 year/50,000 mile New Vehicle Warranty or 6 year/70,000 mile Powertrain Warranty.
A new vehicle is covered under warranty, and we don't need a TSB to have a problem corrected and covered under warranty.

A simple explanation: TSB's can address various issues in various ways. For example...In cases like a rocking seat issue, a TSB simply tells the Dealership/Tech (a simplified explanation...lol),"We have seen this issue previously and know what the problem is and now know what caused it. So to save yourself time and effort, here is the solution, what to do, the parts you may need, etc...".

In this way, the Service Department does not waste time trying to figure out what is wrong, what is the cause, how do we solve it, what parts to order if necessary, etc. etc. The TSB tells them what the underlying cause is, what to do to fix it, how to do it, what parts to order, etc. etc. In this way, Ford saves on warranty costs, the Dealership saves time, and paying customers hopefully save money too.

As far as what models and model years a TSB covers: The "covered models/model years" (and sometimes down to a month/day of production) simply means that a particular issue was found to be relatively prevalent in those models and model years, up until the underlying issue was discovered and corrected on the assembly line. Could have been due to a bad patch of parts, an improperly working robot, a faulty tool, a sloppy assembly line worker etc.

In the case of a rocking seat (I'm making this up)...It could have been due to a improperly calibrated torque wrench which did not tighten down the seat bolts properly for 6 months (make up any number), until it was discovered and fixed. So now the owners of those vehicles which were made during that 6 month period are experiencing the problem and Dealers are reporting a lot of loose seats. So Lincoln issues a TSB explaining that they have seen this issue and here is how to fix it quickly and easily. Again, that is just a simplified explanation.

And again, if a vehicle is still covered under the New Vehicle Warranty, all work like this is covered, TSB or not. So always bring a vehicle in to the Dealership for service work if you have issues under warranty.

Hope this is somewhat understandable, and good luck.

BBF,

Not confusing at all. I learn something new here all the time.

As usual, I appreciate the time you put into clearly explaining things like these. Always appreciated.

Seems like a simple fix and I am happy that the dealer scheduled me when they knew a loaner would be made available.

 

[Frank J]

Is it just me or does anyone else find the Lincoln corsair standard seats to be the most uncomfortable seats they've ever set in?

If I can't talk my wife into taking this car from me then I think I'm going to take the beating that I deserve and sell it. Why I didn't I test drive this Lincoln longer... I could just kick myself. Other than that it's a pretty decent car but seats are too important and I can't take anymore. Drove it up to Colorado from Texas and had to get out every 80 miles just to flex my back and stand up straight.

I have the same problem. I have the sandstone "Lincoln Soft Touch" seats. In my 40 years of car ownership, they are the most uncomfortable, hard, cheap looking/feeling seats I've ever experienced. Great car otherwise, but can't wait to get rid of it. The seats are horrifying.

 

[JB IN AZ]

I have the same problem. I have the sandstone "Lincoln Soft Touch" seats. In my 40 years of car ownership, they are the most uncomfortable, hard, cheap looking/feeling seats I've ever experienced. Great car otherwise, but can't wait to get rid of it. The seats are horrifying.

What year is your Corsair? Is it the Standard trim level? Did you do a longish test drive before buying?

I had a 21 Reserve with the standard leather seats. I found them comfortable, but would have preferred more thigh support. The car was totaled in November. I replaced it with a 22 Reserve with the 24 way leather seats. At first, they seem hard, but they offer much more support and after a 2,500 mile road trip starting the day after delivery, I am very happy with them.

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[Frank J]

What year is your Corsair? Is it the Standard trim level? Did you do a longish test drive before buying?

I had a 21 Reserve with the standard leather seats. I found them comfortable, but would have preferred more thigh support. The car was totaled in November. I replaced it with a 22 Reserve with the 24 way leather seats. At first, they seem hard, but they offer much more support and after a 2,500 mile road trip starting the day after delivery, I am very happy with them.

2020. It'll be two years old in mid-June and has 43k miles. I'm in the car on average two hours per day every day. The seats are unbearable. Prior car was a 2018 MKC...no problem. This Corsair is my 6th consecutive Lincoln and the first I've ever had a problem with seat comfort. I'll shop Lincoln again out of habit, but if the seats haven't improved since 2020, I'll part company with the brand.

 

[G-642628]

I suppose it depends on what you're used to for car seats. To me the Corsair's (standard) seats are quite nice. I've been on a small number of longish (100+ miles) drives with them, both in my car and in a loaner from the dealer prior to purchase and I honestly am not experiencing discomfort.

100 miles isn't long. 8 hours is long

 

[syl]

100 miles isn't long. 8 hours is long

... and I have *since* been on 12-hour long drives in the (2022) Corsair. Seats are still fine, though I still prefer the 10-way seats that I had in the 2020 Corsair. They're just better.

 

[kingdre]

Ive had a base model for a loaner. I prefer my GT with the 24- way ones. I've done a few 12 hour rides with 5-6 6 hr rides. Never a problem. Everyone enjoys the massage feature. Even in the back, when I sit back there on breaks are fairly comfortable. I'm 5'10 220. 36-38 waist.

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[G-267801]

I first saw this car at a car show in the DFW area. I stood there for quite a while and talked to people as they got in and out of the corsair. It was about 60 (for)-40. Some people stated that they felt exactly the way I did. Others got in and said they loved them. Most that love them were small and very narrow people. I wouldn’t consider myself giant, 215 pounds and 6’2” tall. They feel like fake leather stretched over a hard padding - that’s just me... we were originally looking for my wife a car but due to circumstances I’m driving the car for now. She’s going to take it and I’m buying a truck within the next couple of months. Was waiting for some new ones to come out. Don’t get me wrong I think it’s a beautiful car, I just don’t like the seats and I think people should test drive them for a while and see what they think is all...

I have a 2025, bought it in January and have had issues with the seat after about a month driving it. It's like the foam cushion has compressed and started to be uncomfortable, to the point where I can't drive it anymore with out pain in my buttocks. I'm 5'11" and 190 lbs. I'm not sure what I'm going to do with this car now since I can't really drive it and it's still brand new.