Deep sleep mode

Do you know how the dealer decided a BSM reset was the root cause/solution, or were they just guessing and this reset did the trick?

Hi Mike McCandless. Resetting e BMS is pretty much a standard early trouble-shooting procedure for many battery related issues.

As BL stated earlier, a vehicle owner can easily self-reset the BMS by leaving their vehicle locked and completely untouched for a minimum of 8 hours (I would shoot for 10).

And by completely untouched, that means locked, do not approach the vehicle with a keyfob or PAAK, do not use the LincolnWay phone app at all, do not leave any electronic devices plugged into the vehicle (i..e. phones, etc. ) etc. etc.

Good luck.
 
It wasn't my vehicle, but I assume they followed guidance from Lincoln on that.

I can tell you that I will put my vehicle on my charger when I notice that the Auto Stop/Start feature stops working. A few times I have fully charged the battery, and it still doesn't work. I then reset the BCM using the procedure I posted somewhere above, and then the next day the feature works. So, I guess resetting the BCM does the trick.
I think you meant the BMS as was stated in my previous post.
 
Do you know how the dealer decided a BSM reset was the root cause/solution, or were they just guessing and this reset did the trick?
I don`t know they did not tell me they just said it was fixed.I had charged the battery twice but did not know about the BMS procedure and I took the truck in because on my digital voltmeter it read 11.5 volts so I wanted it checked out.
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So, my 2022 Navigator Reserve L is back from the dealer. Our symptom was that the car would not start. We tried to jump it - no luck. We eventually had it towed.

Dealer indicated “ran self test and found DTC U200F and U200D. Ran OASIS and found SSM 50845. Cleared DTC’s and re-programmed RFA module per SSM. Ran self test and DTC’s no longer present. Disconnected negative battery cable and reconnected. Concern no longer present.”

In other words, I was told root cause identified, fix applied, you are good to go.

Thoughts?
 
So, my 2022 Navigator Reserve L is back from the dealer. Our symptom was that the car would not start. We tried to jump it - no luck. We eventually had it towed.

Dealer indicated “ran self test and found DTC U200F and U200D. Ran OASIS and found SSM 50845. Cleared DTC’s and re-programmed RFA module per SSM. Ran self test and DTC’s no longer present. Disconnected negative battery cable and reconnected. Concern no longer present.”

In other words, I was told root cause identified, fix applied, you are good to go.

Thoughts?

Hi MM. My primary thought would be...If the issue does not reoccur, they found the root cause and corrected it.

If it reoccurs, they did not find the root cause and will need to look at your vehicle again.

And just to be clear, I am not being sarcastic or a wise guy. We certainly hope the underlying cause has been correctly diagnosed and repaired, so keep an eye on it and let us know how you make out.

Good luck. 🍻
 
I have a 2019 Navigator L….been dealing with this issue since February- still deep sleep/dead if it sits for 3 days. Since then- it has been in to the dealership 3 times…for at least a month at a time….with the “fixes” being- new battery, new battery junction box (didn’t fix it), new keyless door pad (didn’t fix it), the latest “fix” is a new TCU. Even went to pick it up after a ‘fix’ and was dead when I got to the Dealership!
I am somewhat certain- it is still not fixed…but am beyond frustrated! After reading this thread….seems it is not just my vehicle! Ready to get rid of this headache!
 
So, my 2022 Navigator Reserve L is back from the dealer. Our symptom was that the car would not start. We tried to jump it - no luck. We eventually had it towed.

Dealer indicated “ran self test and found DTC U200F and U200D. Ran OASIS and found SSM 50845. Cleared DTC’s and re-programmed RFA module per SSM. Ran self test and DTC’s no longer present. Disconnected negative battery cable and reconnected. Concern no longer present.”

In other words, I was told root cause identified, fix applied, you are good to go.

Thoughts?
We had this exact issue also on our 22 Navi. - stranded and towed. Being told they had to reset/reprogram the BCM. Has your issue resurfaced? Hesitant this is a long term fix…
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I have a 2019 Navigator L….been dealing with this issue since February- still deep sleep/dead if it sits for 3 days. Since then- it has been in to the dealership 3 times…for at least a month at a time….with the “fixes” being- new battery, new battery junction box (didn’t fix it), new keyless door pad (didn’t fix it), the latest “fix” is a new TCU. Even went to pick it up after a ‘fix’ and was dead when I got to the Dealership!
I am somewhat certain- it is still not fixed…but am beyond frustrated! After reading this thread….seems it is not just my vehicle! Ready to get rid of this headache!
Yeah mine has been acting up also if it sets for 2-3 days I get that same message that its in deep sleep mode.I had it to the dealership just recently and it was fine for about a week but now its back doing it again.I have a really nice AGM battery charger that I have been using when I check the battery voltage its only 11.7 way lower than it should be so I have been charging it back up and letting the truck set for at least 8-10 hours to reset the BMS.
 
2023 Navigator Reserve L 4WD. I have the same problem with what sounds like mechanical relay(s) constantly clicking after shutdown without the key fob being within bluetooth range and logged out of the Lincoln Way app. This causes my battery to discharge. I’ve owned the vehicle for 2 months now and still have less than 1,000 miles on it. I took the vehicle in to Bluebonnet Lincoln in New Braunfels, TX a couple of days after purchasing it on May 22, 2023 to address this problem. They had the vehicle for 43 days. The problem has still not been resolved. I contacted Lincoln about the problem and case #CAS4383670 was opened. It is now July 30th and the problem still persists! I have lost faith in my Lincoln dealer to properly diagnose and correct the problem. I created a log to record my battery voltage daily before starting the engine and I purchased a sound recorder to try to isolate where the relay sounds are coming from. This problem should not exist on a $100,000 plus vehicle with less than 1,000 miles on it. Judging by other posts on this forum, this problem is not unique to my vehicle. I would appreciate any feedback from other owners, as I feel that I’m only left with the option of troubleshooting the problem myself as the dealer could not identify and correct the problem after having the vehicle in their shop for 43 days. Lincoln only calls me in an attempt to close the case on a problem that still persists, so I don’t think that they really care!
 
2023 Navigator Reserve L 4WD. I have the same problem with what sounds like mechanical relay(s) constantly clicking after shutdown without the key fob being within bluetooth range and logged out of the Lincoln Way app. This causes my battery to discharge. I’ve owned the vehicle for 2 months now and still have less than 1,000 miles on it. I took the vehicle in to Bluebonnet Lincoln in New Braunfels, TX a couple of days after purchasing it on May 22, 2023 to address this problem. They had the vehicle for 43 days. The problem has still not been resolved. I contacted Lincoln about the problem and case #CAS4383670 was opened. It is now July 30th and the problem still persists! I have lost faith in my Lincoln dealer to properly diagnose and correct the problem. I created a log to record my battery voltage daily before starting the engine and I purchased a sound recorder to try to isolate where the relay sounds are coming from. This problem should not exist on a $100,000 plus vehicle with less than 1,000 miles on it. Judging by other posts on this forum, this problem is not unique to my vehicle. I would appreciate any feedback from other owners, as I feel that I’m only left with the option of troubleshooting the problem myself as the dealer could not identify and correct the problem after having the vehicle in their shop for 43 days. Lincoln only calls me in an attempt to close the case on a problem that still persists, so I don’t think that they really care!

Hi turbopropdude and welcome to the Lincoln Forums. Due to all the electronics, computers etc., some noises are normal. However, sometimes noises can be abnormal. Unfortunately, it is difficult (at best) to determine blindly over the Internet what is and isn't normal in a particular vehicle.

So in this case: You have owned your 2023 Navigator for ~2 months, and it has been in the shop for 43 days with a problem which the Dealer/Lincoln can not isolate or correct? And if after they had it in the shop for 43 days, then it is safe to assume they must feel something is abnormal. Yet they can not seem to diagnose or correct it.

If that is the case, this would be my advice: First, be sure moving forward that you get and keep all work invoices etc. And get everything in writing. Then... It is time to talk to your Dealership and Lincoln Concierge about initiating a manufacturer buyback and/or vehicle replacement.

If the Dealership/Lincoln are not willing to do that, then it is time to take out the Lincoln Warranty Guide which you were given when you purchased your vehicle. Find the sections detailing the BBB AutoLine Arbitration process and Lemon Law process.

Then follow the instructions to initiate a BBB AutoLine Arbitration procedure. If still not satisfied, then it would be time to check your State Lemon Law rules, and initiate a Lemon Law claim.

Keep us updated and good luck.
 
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Hi turbopropdude and welcome to the Lincoln Forums. Due to all the electonics etc., some noises are normal, However, sometimes noises can be abnormal. Unfortunately, it is difficult (at best) to determine blindly over the Internet what is and isn't normal in a particular vehicle.

So in this case: You have owned your 2023 Navigator for ~2 months, and it has been in the shop for 43 days with a problem which the Dealer/Lincoln can not isolate or correct? And if after they had it in the shop for 43 days, then it is safe to assume they must feel something is abnormal. Yet they can not seem to diagnose or correct it.

If that is the case, this would be my advice: First, be sure moving forward that you get and keep all work invoices etc. And get everything in writing. Then... It is time to talk to your Dealership and Lincoln Concierge about initiating a manufacturer buyback and/or vehicle replacement.

If the Dealership/Lincoln are not willing to do that, then it is time to take out the Lincoln Warranty Guide which you were given when you purchased your vehicle. Find the sections detailing the BBB AutoLine Arbitration process and Lemon Law process.

Then follow the instructions to initiate a BBB AutoLine Arbitration procedure. If still not satisfied, then it would be time to check your State Lemon Law rules, and initiate a Lemon Law claim.

Keep us updated and good luck.
Thanks for your advise. I actually ordered this vehicle and it is equipped exactly the way that I wanted it to be (color, interior color, heavy duty towing package, 4x4, etc.). Lincoln representative has already offered to exchange the vehicle for a “like” vehicle, but no guarantee of color, interior color, etc. I still have time remaining for Lincoln to acknowledge and correct this problem before I get serious about contacting a “lemon law” attorney. Meanwhile, I will either have the vehicle towed to the dealer or I will take my battery in for an exchange if the car won’t start. I will do this as many times as I have to until Ford/Lincoln recognizes the problem and comes up with a fix. When I get tired of doing this, then I might sue them. Hoping that they will get tired of replacing defective batteries and fix the root cause problem before I decide to pursue legal action. Otherwise, I do love the vehicle even though it is a PITA with this problem. BTW, this problem is not unique to my vehicle as evidenced by numerous other folks describing the same issue on this forum (see “clicking noise” topic). I only hope that someone at Lincoln gives a shoot about reading this forum.
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Thanks for your advise. I actually ordered this vehicle and it is equipped exactly the way that I wanted it to be (color, interior color, heavy duty towing package, 4x4, etc.). Lincoln representative has already offered to exchange the vehicle for a “like” vehicle, but no guarantee of color, interior color, etc. I still have time remaining for Lincoln to acknowledge and correct this problem before I get serious about contacting a “lemon law” attorney. Meanwhile, I will either have the vehicle towed to the dealer or I will take my battery in for an exchange if the car won’t start. I will do this as many times as I have to until Ford/Lincoln recognizes the problem and comes up with a fix. When I get tired of doing this, then I might sue them. Hoping that they will get tired of replacing defective batteries and fix the root cause problem before I decide to pursue legal action. Otherwise, I do love the vehicle even though it is a PITA with this problem. BTW, this problem is not unique to my vehicle as evidenced by numerous other folks describing the same issue on this forum (see “clicking noise” topic). I only hope that someone at Lincoln gives a shoot about reading this forum.

Hi turbopropdude. I was not pushing you to pursue the Lemon Law at this point, if you do not wish to. However, since you stated in your first post..."as I feel that I’m only left with the option of troubleshooting the problem myself as the dealer could not identify and correct the problem after having the vehicle in their shop for 43 days.", I felt it was important to let you know about your other options, since troubleshooting a problem like this on your own (which a Dealer was not able to troubleshoot, hands on, in 43 days) will be difficult, at best.

So just a little information which may or may not help as you move forward:
1- If you decide to pursue a manufacturer buyback, you can factory order a new vehicle again for your replacement. All you need to do is inform them that is what you wish to do.
2- You do not need a "Lemon Law attorney", or the costs of that attorney, in order to pursue a BBB AutoLine Arbitration and/or Lemon Law buyback (if it gets to that point).
3- Being a long time member here, I am very familiar with the "clicking noise" situation, and did not infer/was not inferring this problem is "unique" to your vehicle. However, every case may be/is unique, so all we can do is handle yours as its own unique case and move forward from there.
4- You will get more accomplished by dealing directly with your Dealership and Lincoln than by hoping "...someone at Lincoln gives a shoot about reading this forum". This forum is a Lincoln enthusiast forum. It is not run by Lincoln. And while some Lincoln employee or another may view the forums once in a while, it is doubtful that Lincoln officially and directly monitors this forum for content, problems etc.

Just trying to help you focus on the best way to find a solution.

Keep us updated and good luck. 🍻
 
Yes, that is what I am saying. I did this procedure here overnight. Guessing this is all the dealership did was look the vehicle overnight to reset it.

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I WANT HEADS TO ROLL....WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND APPROVES OR EVEN PITCHED THST IT WOULD BE APPECTABLE FOR AN OWNER TO WAIT ONCE THE BATTERY IS RECHSRGED! USUALLY THIS HAPPENS IN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS. SODE OF ROAD OR AIRPORT OR PARKING GARAGE. UHG. AND GOOD GRIEF!
 
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