A plan for Lincoln Nautilus

[swindler]

A Plan pricing for most Ford and Lincoln vehicles (including the Nautilus) is now available for everyone until June 2.

 

[markfm]

A Plan pricing for most Ford and Lincoln vehicles (including the Nautilus) is now available for everyone until June 2.

What do we have to do to get it?

 

[swindler]

What do we have to do to get it?

Shake hands.

There are a handful of exempt vehicles, like the new Navigator. Stellantis has followed with similar pricing.

 

[angore]

Car sales have been up since most recent tariff threats. This will likely make later sales even worse.

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[markfm]

Shake hands.

There are a handful of exempt vehicles, like the new Navigator. Stellantis has followed with similar pricing.

Got it.

I found the offer online, sent a note to my local dealer to confirm they'll be honoring the program. Based on X vs. A, it sounds like A would be several K lower price compared to X for a P2 hybrid (w/Paint and mini spare plus-ups rolled in)

From: Ford A-Plan, Z-Plan, X-Plan, D-Plan Pricing: How It's Calculated and What You Need to Know - CarsDirect
It appears that:
A Plan: Invoice - Holdback - Advertising Fee + $275 Program Fee
X Plan: Invoice - 0.4% + $275 program fee

The difference (A Plan vs. X Plan) ends up being about 4% of Invoice, around $2.4K if the invoice is $59K. (This would be for a P2 hybrid w/Paint and mini Spare uppers)

Sound about right?

 

[swindler]

Got it.

I found the offer online, sent a note to my local dealer to confirm they'll be honoring the program. Based on X vs. A, it sounds like A would be several K lower price compared to X for a P2 hybrid (w/Paint and mini spare plus-ups rolled in)

From: Ford A-Plan, Z-Plan, X-Plan, D-Plan Pricing: How It's Calculated and What You Need to Know - CarsDirect
It appears that:
A Plan: Invoice - Holdback - Advertising Fee + $275 Program Fee
X Plan: Invoice - 0.4% + $275 program fee

The difference (A Plan vs. X Plan) ends up being about 4% of Invoice, around $2.4K if the invoice is $59K. (This would be for a P2 hybrid w/Paint and mini Spare uppers)

Sound about right?

Sounds like a steal.

 

[markfm]

At least I'm still on track to get a P2 hybrid finally The one we test drive, perfect match, has a very noticeable center console vibration, Service is supposed to be looking at it, my salesperson has pinged them again (since it's needed to sell a car).

 

[swindler]

At least I'm still on track to get a P2 hybrid finally The one we test drive, perfect match, has a very noticeable center console vibration, Service is supposed to be looking at it, my salesperson has pinged them again (since it's needed to sell a car).

As in loose or as in vehicle induced?

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[markfm]

I expect vehicle induced, maybe still over-inflated tires from shipping, or tires out of balance, though it could be bad console attachment (like some people have run into with the front passenger seat).

We redid the same route in the '17 RX 350, no vibration on the roads, at the speeds, for the same route.

 

[Steve_C]

Got it.

I found the offer online, sent a note to my local dealer to confirm they'll be honoring the program. Based on X vs. A, it sounds like A would be several K lower price compared to X for a P2 hybrid (w/Paint and mini spare plus-ups rolled in)

From: Ford A-Plan, Z-Plan, X-Plan, D-Plan Pricing: How It's Calculated and What You Need to Know - CarsDirect
It appears that:
A Plan: Invoice - Holdback - Advertising Fee + $275 Program Fee
X Plan: Invoice - 0.4% + $275 program fee

The difference (A Plan vs. X Plan) ends up being about 4% of Invoice, around $2.4K if the invoice is $59K. (This would be for a P2 hybrid w/Paint and mini Spare uppers)

Sound about right?

I am looking at an Aviator since Swindler brought this offer to our attention.
My problem is, how do you know what invoice truly is....? I do not see this published anywhere. I have not been to CarsDirect, is this where invoice is posted?
Did the dealer tell you the invoice was 59k when he confirmed they honor the plan?

 

[bbf2530]

I am looking at an Aviator since Swindler brought this offer to our attention.
My problem is, how do you know what invoice truly is....? I do not see this published anywhere. I have not been to CarsDirect, is this where invoice is posted?
Did the dealer tell you the invoice was 59k when he confirmed they honor the plan?

Hi Steve_C. A-Plan (Ford Employee Pricing) requires the Dealership to give you a copy of the vehicle invoice.
That means an actual copy of the actual invoice. Not handwritten numbers, verbal assurances etc.

On that invoice is a box labeled “A-Plan”. And the price in that box is the A-Plan price.

Another plus: “Documentation Fees” are also limited to $100. That helps save several hundred additional dollars or even more, since many dealerships charge $400-$500 for “Documentation Fees” nowadays.

Also, they are not allowed to charge other essentially made up, profit packing fees.

That covers the basics.

Keep us updated and good luck.

 

[markfm]

I am looking at an Aviator since Swindler brought this offer to our attention.
My problem is, how do you know what invoice truly is....? I do not see this published anywhere. I have not been to CarsDirect, is this where invoice is posted?
Did the dealer tell you the invoice was 59k when he confirmed they honor the plan?

For me I just googled "2025 nautilus hybrid premier 2 invoice". At least one result was a place that had both invoice and MSRP. I went by MSRP as a first check that they were actually listing for a config that was "pretty close" to the two I'm interested in.

I should be pretty close, good enough for my purposes. (This is just to get me to the ballpark of what it'll probably cost. Several thousand lower than if I only used X plan partner.)

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[CliffDiver]

Are dealers REALLY processing these deals as official "A Plan" purchases with the fine print requirements that go along with it? I wonder, because here is the details shown on Lincoln.com. It specifically says "A/X/Z/D Plan ineligible". I suspect they are offering employee pricing (hopefully being honest about that) and processing it as regular deals, which means they might be adding any doc fee they want and maybe not revealing the actual invoice price. Who knows.

"*Offer available on the purchase or lease of the following eligible new 2024-2025 Ford & Lincoln vehicles ONLY: Ford Mustang, Escape, Bronco, Bronco Sport, F-150, F-150 Lightning, Mustang Mach-E, Maverick, Ranger, Transit, E-Transit, Lincoln Corsair and Nautilus; new 2024 Ford Super Duty (pick-up models only), Expedition and Lincoln Navigator only; and new 2025 Ford Explorer and Lincoln Aviator only. Excludes all new Ford Raptor models, Mustang Dark Horse, Mustang GTD and all Chassis Cab models. U.S. residents only. Prior purchases not eligible. A/X/Z/D Plan ineligible. Place a new retail order or take new retail delivery from an authorized Ford Dealer or Lincoln Retailer’s stock by 6/2/25. See a participating dealer for details."

 

[swindler]

Are dealers REALLY processing these deals as official "A Plan" purchases with the fine print requirements that go along with it? I wonder, because here is the details shown on Lincoln.com. It specifically says "A/X/Z/D Plan ineligible". I suspect they are offering employee pricing (hopefully being honest about that) and processing it as regular deals, which means they might be adding any doc fee they want and maybe not revealing the actual invoice price. Who knows.

"*Offer available on the purchase or lease of the following eligible new 2024-2025 Ford & Lincoln vehicles ONLY: Ford Mustang, Escape, Bronco, Bronco Sport, F-150, F-150 Lightning, Mustang Mach-E, Maverick, Ranger, Transit, E-Transit, Lincoln Corsair and Nautilus; new 2024 Ford Super Duty (pick-up models only), Expedition and Lincoln Navigator only; and new 2025 Ford Explorer and Lincoln Aviator only. Excludes all new Ford Raptor models, Mustang Dark Horse, Mustang GTD and all Chassis Cab models. U.S. residents only. Prior purchases not eligible. A/X/Z/D Plan ineligible. Place a new retail order or take new retail delivery from an authorized Ford Dealer or Lincoln Retailer’s stock by 6/2/25. See a participating dealer for details."

I'd be very surprised if they were dishonest about invoice pricing. That would constitute fraud or something similar. But you're right that I don't think the consumer is participating in the A plan and getting those perks. They're just receiving A plan pricing.

 

[bbf2530]

Hi gang. Here’s a Motor Trend article which offers more information on the current A-Plan Employee pricing deal: https://www.motortrend.com/news/ford-employee-pricing-tariff-deal-2025/

Good luck.

 

[angore]

For a company like Toyota that builds in US and imports, they could raise the price of US built models to help offset the increase in imported models. Or do it to just take advantage of competive products going up.

The A plan officially comes with eligibilty rules but since they do not apply then it becomes "priced like A plan". There are always dealers trying to add on mandatory features and fees.

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[markfm]

My local dealer is now posting their inventory with the "Burdick Discount" (A plan for all discount), so people can see the reductions compared to MSRP. For the P2, with adds for FHEV/paint color/mini spare, the change is from MSRP $61,270 to Employee Discount $55,326 (6K below MSRP).

Now if only they had a P2 without bad center console vibration. The P2 we test drove a couple weeks ago is exactly what I wanted, except for that vibration. Unfortunately, when I checked in with my salesman last night, this was the response:

"I understand what you're saying. Our master tech went through it thoroughly. Since the brand new nautilus came out we have had these vibration issues with a good amount of them. It was so consistent with them coming in from factory with these issues that we had corporate involved as well as had Lincoln reps come out to inspect the issues with the Nautilus's but we still to this day have never had a manufacturer fix for it or diagnosed an issue that causes it. The center console is 100% on perfectly.

We're doing what we can to try and pin point the issue that causes vibration. If you'd like I can have a service advisor reach out to you about the Nautilus."

I may stop by tomorrow or Friday to test drive the black P2 they have on the lot - same configuration, just different (wrong) color scheme for me. If that one drives clean, no vibration, I'll probably ask him to go on a hunt.

 

[swindler]

Maybe if the black P2 drives perfectly, you could just have then swap out all the body panels with the other one.

 

[markfm]

Maybe if the black P2 drives perfectly, you could just have then swap out all the body panels with the other one.

Thinking outside the box - I like it

 

[markfm]

We did test drive the Black Premiere 2 today- no vibration problem (as expected, how the vehicle should be).

Exterior/Interior colors of the black P2 are a "no" for us, but glad to have confirmed that the Lustrous Gray has much worse vibration than a good Nautilus.

Back in the dealer's court - Fix the in-hand lustrous gray or find another (several exterior colors are okay, strong preference for the black/gray interior).