2024 Lincoln Navigator tire problems

[2024NAVBL]

I'm going back to an Escalade when the LemonLaw buy back goes through. It was a dream for 7 yrs. It got stolen and when they got wired my car, the electronics didn't work after that. I could've driven it another 150,000 miles. Lincoln lured me in with 0% financing. I won't be tricked again.

I STILL have my 2011 escalade and constantly debate myself to sell it or not. Funny enough I have it on 24 TCS rims and that thing drives way better than the navigator currently. I didnt go back to escalade because the amount of rust and corrosion over the years is insane. Name any part of the truck aside the engine and trans and I have replaced it at some point. I also cant stand the way the interiors and exteriors look on the later generation. The nav is timeless elegence and otherwise a joy to be in so hopefully these dealerships and corp can quickly get their shit together. I have yet to hear about a lincoln service dept that was actually a great experience. I thought the 2 in NY were bad but after calling Planet and hearing from you guys it sounds like they are actually worse.

 

[2024NAVBL]

Went to the dealer today to drive 3 reserves all with 22"s
1. had Pirelli scorpion and 40 miles on the clock- immediately noticed shimmy at 45+mph
2. had General brand tires about the same mileage and characteristically the same issue
3. Just when the dealer was about to think I have a mental issue, I drove this extended version and it was perfect. Pirelli scorpion also. Again note that when I had my loaner the first time I shopped my car it was also an L/extended and did not have any vibration. This one had 3K miles.

*note my car was like this new but after 3 RFs and a careful balancing it was gone until 70mph+

We put rims/tires from veh #3 on my car and it drove better until right up into 80mph- really bad vibe in floor/pedal/seat/steering wheel- it went away after the 80mph range but the issue is consistently there.

Fortunately I made out with nicer looking black rims on the same Pirellis and a much smoother ride on the lower end of speed but the issue remains.

At this point I think its suspension related and I also think the truck is flawed within a certain production period and namely with the non extended versions. I still have to bring my veh back for the seat problem and when I do I will have them RF the wheels for improvement but at this juncture its either lemon it or wait until lincoln has some kind of TB issued- according the GM they are aware of but who knows how long its going to be- so im on the fence about what to do.

I will ask if anyone knows if the L/Extended has ANY kind of different suspension setting or parts because even just idling though the parking lot and on cruise the truck felt notches better in build and feel including with the steering.

I also think we should all share our production dates to see if there is a comm denom in time period of mfr with problem units. (I think mine is may out of the KY plant).


Anyone else have any updates or details let us know.

PS: later this evening I was standing next to the rear wheel and it looks like the angle of it is off on both sides. IF it truly is I would think we would notice extreme tire wear or handling issues at any decent speed but idk.

 

[Black Label]

Amazing that this thread has gone to 4 pages from a guest poster OP with an issue that seems to have been a bunch of BS in the first place. Seriously. Tested multiple sets of tires that shimmy? Okay.

Has the OP actually signed up or logged in and followed up here?

 

[KenKei]

Don't know about the OP but the shimmy is a real thing. Not BS. Don't think it's related to tires. Multiple people with the same issue and no resolution from Lincoln. I'm grateful whoever the guest was that started this post.

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[Black Label]

Don't know about the OP but the shimmy is a real thing. Not BS. Don't think it's related to tires. Multiple people with the same issue and no resolution from Lincoln. I'm grateful whoever the guest was that started this post.

This forum, and probably others, gets posters who are 1 and done or don't even register. Hard to take seriously. First I have heard of any widespread issue with shimmy. And since the Guest OP did title this thread as tire problems, it is logical to think that is what that poster thought the issue was.

 

[driller]

Anyone else have any updates or details let us know.

All I can add is my 2024 L currently starts to vibrate at speed around 75 mph. By 80 mph it is quite evident through the steering wheel but you can also see the vibration if you lower the windshield visor.

I have the gloss black 22 inch wheels with Pirelli Scorpion Verde tires with less than 2,500 miles. I hope to Road Force balance them with my first service appointment.

Pirelli's newest SUV tire is the Scorpion AS Plus 3. It ranks significantly better than the Verde All Season tires in all categories for an overall improvement from 'fair' to 'excellent' on Tire Rack's website.

The differences between the L version and the base model has to be a longer driveshaft with the L version. The only other conceivable difference would be the transfer case with the HD Towing Package? If it were the driveshaft, one would think the longer driveshaft with the L version would be more problematic.

 

[Black Label]

Wow, wonder what happened to the 2024 models. I have never had this on my 2022. Hope it gets resolved for y'all.

 

[tie1onanytime]

UPDATE
All... this thread has been and will be very informative & helpful to me in my quest to get my issues remedied - most specifically - vibration. First - I still do not have possession of my '24 BL reg Nav. I was told it was ready last wednesday and I went thurs to pick it up. spent time with the lead shop GM - who was persoanlly involved with the tire/rim vibration issue. We drove it - but only approx 1/2-1 mile (no highway time) and it seemed like it may be a bit better as he said they did have to road force and spin the wheel/tire on a couple of them? I asked for the actual numbers (run out/weight specs) but could not produce them at that moment . I need to get it to 70-85 to give it a real test.... WHEN I get the truck back . they did not perform or complete the other simple tasks (cosmetic for the most part) even tho it sat at the Ford location for 2.5 wks. I refused to take it until it was completed properly per my list (that I have gone thru in great detail aa number of times. All very nice guys... but somewhere somehow communication failed between the two locations??? I have faith in both the Shop GM and the service contact that they are on this double duty. ive gotten calls/texts just bout every day. but I do know they know - I am running out of patience. making my 2nd payment already and for nuthin. FYI they have put approx 120 miles on my truck so far .

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[KenKei]

UPDATE
All... this thread has been and will be very informative & helpful to me in my quest to get my issues remedied - most specifically - vibration. First - I still do not have possession of my '24 BL reg Nav. I was told it was ready last wednesday and I went thurs to pick it up. spent time with the lead shop GM - who was persoanlly involved with the tire/rim vibration issue. We drove it - but only approx 1/2-1 mile (no highway time) and it seemed like it may be a bit better as he said they did have to road force and spin the wheel/tire on a couple of them? I asked for the actual numbers (run out/weight specs) but could not produce them at that moment . I need to get it to 70-85 to give it a real test.... WHEN I get the truck back . they did not perform or complete the other simple tasks (cosmetic for the most part) even tho it sat at the Ford location for 2.5 wks. I refused to take it until it was completed properly per my list (that I have gone thru in great detail aa number of times. All very nice guys... but somewhere somehow communication failed between the two locations??? I have faith in both the Shop GM and the service contact that they are on this double duty. ive gotten calls/texts just bout every day. but I do know they know - I am running out of patience. making my 2nd payment already and for nuthin. FYI they have put approx 120 miles on my truck so far .

I feel for you! This whole process sucks! Neither Ford nor Lincoln really care. They've made their money and now they're sticking us with the depreciation. The longer this takes the more we lose. They are in no need to fix this problem and the longer this drags on the more likely it will be that I need surgery for the carpel tunnel syndrome this vibration has caused. I think we need to start hitting them in a place where it hurts...Google map reviews. I am totally happy to post 1 star ratings on any dealership unless it's Planet Lincoln because I've already done that and had all my family members did it too. Moved them from a 4.8 to 4.6 star. I will make a truthful statement on whatever dealerships y'all tell me you purchased them at. I will state that I purchased a Lincoln Navigator L that is a lemon and Lincoln and Ford have not fixed the problem and I've been without my vehicle for 10 days in the last 2.5 months all while making payments on a $130,000 vehicle. Hopefully you'll do the same for me at Planet Lincoln.

 

[Hanyol0]

I'm glad i found this thread as i have same issue on my 23 Black Label L with Pirelli scorpions bought last Aug with 40 miles and sitting on the lot for a number of months so got it at a good discount. Unfortunately, i'm in Hawaii (Oahu) and Lincoln service through Velocity was canceled soon after i got the car trying to troubleshoot the problem. Unsure what happened with the contract but now working with Cutter Ford to see how they can help. None of the benefits with Black Label work for me now..screwed over i feel. Ford wont honor them either.

I have not road force balanced tires yet and will attempt this with whoever can do it here on Island looking for less than 20 as noted early on in this thread.

I notice the shimmy at about 60mph but its not always present either, very random. So far, Ford has replaced the EPAS and Rack and Pinion Steering but problem remains. I hope this is just what others have called out and a matter of correct balancing.

 

[KenKei]

I'm glad i found this thread as i have same issue on my 23 Black Label L with Pirelli scorpions bought last Aug with 40 miles and sitting on the lot for a number of months so got it at a good discount. Unfortunately, i'm in Hawaii (Oahu) and Lincoln service through Velocity was canceled soon after i got the car trying to troubleshoot the problem. Unsure what happened with the contract but now working with Cutter Ford to see how they can help. None of the benefits with Black Label work for me now..screwed over i feel. Ford wont honor them either.

I have not road force balanced tires yet and will attempt this with whoever can do it here on Island looking for less than 20 as noted early on in this thread.

I notice the shimmy at about 60mph but its not always present either, very random. So far, Ford has replaced the EPAS and Rack and Pinion Steering but problem remains. I hope this is just what others have called out and a matter of correct balancing.

I won't hold my breath. My tires have been road force balanced twice with no resolution of the shimmy. Ford Motor Company sent out an engineer who has officially declared that there is no issue with my vehicle and nothing more they can do. Still having documented issues with the HomeLink, 3 prong outlet and the recirculating air button but Ford is done. Looks like I'm going to court over this. I'll update the group as the drama unfolds more. Better part of valor in a war is knowing when youve lost. For the rest of y'all, I suggest selling your vehicles at a loss. You're not going to win this. Me I've got enough free time and money that I'm going to court with Ford rather than have them win and have me lose $10k+ on the sale of a new vehicle that's less than 3 months old. It has become a matter of principle to me.

 

[TrentM]

Just thinking out loud here.... You bought a 2023 with 40 miles on it, correct? If so, that Gator has been sitting there for who knows how long getting flat spots on the bottom of those tires that may never be corrected. Probably a permanent fixture now. I would just replace those tires for my own peace of mind. Just my random musing.

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[KenKei]

Just thinking out loud here.... You bought a 2023 with 40 miles on it, correct? If so, that Gator has been sitting there for who knows how long getting flat spots on the bottom of those tires that may never be corrected. Probably a permanent fixture now. I would just replace those tires for my own peace of mind. Just my random musing.

I bought a 2024 with 26 miles on it and the rear tires have been replaced and RFB twice with no resolution. I really am thinking based on all the experiences on here that this is not a tire/wheel problem. As the vibration comes through the seat as well as the steering wheel, I think this is suspension/drive train.

 

[TrentM]

Well that makes sense too... No doubt.

 

[Hanyol0]

What tires should i try next? I didn't even think about flat spots thanks. Wondering if i decide to wait and drive with the flat spots of our will negatively affect my drivetrain or suspension at all?

 

[TrentM]

Well,,, As I have written on this thread and many others, I am not a fan of flying saucer sized wheels with 4 ply tires with a 3.5 inch shoulder. I believe you are asking for trouble with the weight of these trucks. Just does not make sense in my walnut sized brain. Smaller wheels, bigger meatier tires, with 8 to 10 plys, and all terrain with an actual sidewall that looks like it won't go flat if you kick it. But I don't drive just to starbucks and back.

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[driller]

What tires should i try next? I didn't even think about flat spots thanks. Wondering if i decide to wait and drive with the flat spots of our will negatively affect my drivetrain or suspension at all?

Selfishly, I'd like to hear someone try the Pirelli Scorpion AS Plus 3...

Pirelli's newest SUV tire is the Scorpion AS Plus 3. It ranks significantly better than the Verde All Season tires in all categories for an overall improvement from 'fair' to 'excellent' on Tire Rack's website.

As far as flat spots, I'd like to put in my two cents. As an automotive enthusiast, I own several vehicles which leads to most of them sitting perhaps for months at a time without being driven. Yes, flat spots are real but they are not permanent. At least not on any vehicle I have had.

 

[ColonelColt]

Flat spots smooth out once the tires heat up. Then again…tires with age can have their rubber composition change and turn hard giving a poor ride and losing adhesion.

 

[alandrew3]

FWIW - I have been told by several tire shops as well as Lincoln that flat spots do not smooth out or fix themselves... which is why Lincoln replaced all 4 of my tires to be sure. Since I was not paying for them myself, I do not see that as a sales tactic to get me to spend more money.

Either way, I'm thinking I'll keep my Navi for now until I see some 25 Escalades come available on CPO or 2025 year end sales to make my swap. We (customers) shouldn't have to be the ones sourcing solutions or diagnosing problems.

 

[ColonelColt]

Service techs and service managers are not necessarily knowledgeable on tires. They're in business to make money servicing vehicles but not necessarily tires. While this was many years ago I did sell tires and by necessity had to become knowledgeable on the products. Any knowledge on vehicle servicing I had was gained along the way. By and large car dealers are newcomers to tire retailing.