2023 Corsair orders, build dates

[olderbudweiser]

Hey @olderbudweiser —

That's odd that you got a date of March 2 (Thursday). Build weeks always start on a Monday — for March, that should be March 6 or March 13.

Who knows...

Absolutely agree.

It does say March 2, 2023 just looked at it again.

 

[petemurray]

I ordered a 2023 Corsair Grand Touring yesterday and received the confirmation email today. The salesperson advised me to expect a 4 to 6-month wait. After reading through this thread, I think six months might be optimistic. The dealer had a 2022 Corsair Grand Touring on the lot but was asking $5k over MSRP.

Just a quick update on this. Today I received a notice that my vehicle has been scheduled for production the week of 4/17/23. So just about 10 days from ordering at the dealer to having a VIN and production date.

 

[Arteest]

Absolutely agree.

It does say March 2, 2023 just looked at it again.

Hey @olderbudweiser —

That's interesting. Since you wrote that you didn't get an email notification, where did you look it up to find the March 2 date?

Of course, you already have a Window Sticker for your Corsair Reserve, so maybe you have another level of detail that the rest of us don't.

 

[heywardjr]

Hello,
New to this community and Lincoln.
I placed an order at the local dealership 2 weeks ago. They took a 1.5K deposit.. but I haven't heard anything back from them. Can anyone tell me how long it takes to get a VIN number or confirmation email on the build?

Thanks

I am surprised to see they charged you a deposit. I have been ordering from Ford/Lincoln since the early 2000's and never once paid a deposit since the car is not yours until delivery date. I have worked with three different Fords dealers during that time and none of them asked for a deposit.

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[mpabian]

I am surprised to see they charged you a deposit. I have been ordering from Ford/Lincoln since the early 2000's and never once paid a deposit since the car is not yours until delivery date. I have worked with three different Fords dealers during that time and none of them asked for a deposit.

My dealer took a $750 deposit. Worst case scenario, it comes back to me if I refuse delivery.

In other news, my build week was pushed once again to 2/20. Getting antsy!

 

[Arteest]

I am surprised to see they charged you a deposit. I have been ordering from Ford/Lincoln since the early 2000's and never once paid a deposit since the car is not yours until delivery date. I have worked with three different Fords dealers during that time and none of them asked for a deposit.

In the past year, I've ordered two different Corsair GTs from two different Maryland dealers. In each case, I paid a $500 deposit. The $1.5K deposit seems a bit extreme. In addition to the deposit, the dealers also wanted a copy of my driver's license. And yes, the dealer returns the deposit if you refuse delivery.

As I understood it, the reason for the nominal deposit and the ID is because some Lincoln dealers were creating fake customer orders because they wanted to augment their allocation of vehicles from Lincoln. They wanted more cars on their lot, and this was a trick to get them.

 

[Sharbotcom]

It has been 3 months since the 23s were originally scheduled to start rolling down the assembly line. I haven't heard of any making it into dealers hands yet. Does anyone know if any have actually made it into production yet? And if they have, have any been shipped yet? If not, Lincoln Executives must be pulling their hair out by the roots. This long of a delay must be killing thier quarterly numbers.

 

[VJM]

Looks same as mine, ordered 9-13-22 , we did not the subwoofer delete or price reduction. We do have VIN and window sticker

Now schedule week of build tap shows 2/23/23 so I anticipate another delay

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[olderbudweiser]

In the past year, I've ordered two different Corsair GTs from two different Maryland dealers. In each case, I paid a $500 deposit. The $1.5K deposit seems a bit extreme. In addition to the deposit, the dealers also wanted a copy of my driver's license. And yes, the dealer returns the deposit if you refuse delivery.

As I understood it, the reason for the nominal deposit and the ID is because some Lincoln dealers were creating fake customer orders because they wanted to augment their allocation of vehicles from Lincoln. They wanted more cars on their lot, and this was a trick to get them.

Those are my thoughts exactly.

 

[LinkedMe]

In the past year, I've ordered two different Corsair GTs from two different Maryland dealers. In each case, I paid a $500 deposit. The $1.5K deposit seems a bit extreme. In addition to the deposit, the dealers also wanted a copy of my driver's license. And yes, the dealer returns the deposit if you refuse delivery.

As I understood it, the reason for the nominal deposit and the ID is because some Lincoln dealers were creating fake customer orders because they wanted to augment their allocation of vehicles from Lincoln. They wanted more cars on their lot, and this was a trick to get them.

My Dealer told me the same exact thing, the order must be validated with a copy of the drivers license so fake orders are not being generated for fictitious orders, thereby building larger inventories. Also, the email "confirmation" is required so communication is established for the same reason.
Another thing that surprised me was my dealer wasn't charging an up-charge for "Market Adjustment" on the sticker of vehicles in their inventory, like many others were. Then after some time they started adding the "Adjustment". The dealer said they were forced to as people that were not previous customers were coming in, more than willing to pay full MSRP, and then their internet sales department noticed the same vehicle and VIN was being flipped on-line for $3-5k more than MSRP. The dealer added the "Adjustment" to discourage that action. They said as a prior customer they would not make me pay that "Adjustment" if I found an inventoried vehicle I wanted. Of course I ordered exactly what I wanted and secured better pricing......and unfortunately secured a longer wait time though too !

 

[olderbudweiser]

My Dealer told me the same exact thing, the order must be validated with a copy of the drivers license so fake orders are not being generated for fictitious orders, thereby building larger inventories. Also, the email "confirmation" is required so communication is established for the same reason.
Another thing that surprised me was my dealer wasn't charging an up-charge for "Market Adjustment" on the sticker of vehicles in their inventory, like many others were. Then after some time they started adding the "Adjustment". The dealer said they were forced to as people that were not previous customers were coming in, more than willing to pay full MSRP, and then their internet sales department noticed the same vehicle and VIN was being flipped on-line for $3-5k more than MSRP. The dealer added the "Adjustment" to discourage that action. They said as a prior customer they would not make me pay that "Adjustment" if I found an inventoried vehicle I wanted. Of course I ordered exactly what I wanted and secured better pricing......and unfortunately secured a longer wait time though too !

Dealer not honest in their reply to you. How would you purchase a 55K+ dollar vehicle pay taxes and fees, then sell for 3-5 k more. Is there an incentive here??

 

[ljnelson109]

Dealer not honest in their reply to you. How would you purchase a 55K+ dollar vehicle pay taxes and fees, then sell for 3-5 k more. Is there an incentive here??

I will say, in my Pacifica Hybrid community, there have been people doing this. The original buyer gets the $7500. There is opportunity to make a few bucks without doing ANYTHING. Many of them are keeping them for a few months. But some have bought and sold 2 per year!!! For a gas vehicle, without the tax credit, I totally agree. Between taxes and fees, you are in the hole from day one. BUT, I also feel like that party is over. The market is correcting itself on used cars. I really don't think it will continue like that.

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[LinkedMe]

Dealer not honest in their reply to you. How would you purchase a 55K+ dollar vehicle pay taxes and fees, then sell for 3-5 k more. Is there an incentive here??

Well I guess there is an incentive if you do it enough times. He claimed they had one totally new customer purchase two vehicles and then they got suspicious. Thats when they had their internet team do a little digging. There was a National news story of an individual that did it 5 times I believe for Tesla cars and was barred from buying any more. If you do it enough times I guess you can supplement your income, tax free I'm guessing, by maybe $25k+ per year. Where there is a scam to be had someone will do it. Here's one story...
Tesla Has a Secret Clause, It Can Have You Banned From Buying Their Cars

 

[olderbudweiser]

I will say, in my Pacifica Hybrid community, there have been people doing this. The original buyer gets the $7500. There is opportunity to make a few bucks without doing ANYTHING. Many of them are keeping them for a few months. But some have bought and sold 2 per year!!! For a gas vehicle, without the tax credit, I totally agree. Between taxes and fees, you are in the hole from day one. BUT, I also feel like that party is over. The market is correcting itself on used cars. I really don't think it will continue like that.

Wasn't thinking specifically about Gas vs PHEV. If I was in the market for a PHEV why would you buy a new / used for 5k over msrp one without the tax credit being available to you?. You start 6K plus in the hole. That buys a lot of gas even if you were driving a F250 with a 7.3L gas engine.

 

[ljnelson109]

Wasn't thinking specifically about Gas vs PHEV. If I was in the market for a PHEV why would you buy a new / used for 5k over msrp one without the tax credit being available to you?. You start 6K plus in the hole. That buys a lot of gas even if you were driving a F250 with a 7.3L gas engine.

This has always been the mystery to me! In many cases, they were selling to Carvana or Vroom. I can't explain how these companies were paying more than MSRP for the vehicles and then re-selling them. But way, isn't Carvana in bankruptcy??? So, I do agree, the stories don't add up!

 

[LinkedMe]

Wasn't thinking specifically about Gas vs PHEV. If I was in the market for a PHEV why would you buy a new one without the tax credit being available to you?. You start 6K plus in the hole. That buys a lot of gas even if you were driving a F250 with a 7.3L gas engine.

Yes, my Lincoln dealer getting scammed was definitely on various ICE vehicles in their inventory . PHEV's were in short supply so there effectively wasn't any PHEV's in inventory to buy at full MSRP. Not only did they get suspicious when a new customer was buying two but they apparently weren't that concerned of what options they had. Started asking what was the least expensive in inventory.

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[ljnelson109]

Yes, my Lincoln dealer getting scammed was definitely on various ICE vehicles in their inventory . PHEV's were in short supply so there effectively wasn't any PHEV's in inventory to buy at full MSRP. Not only did they get suspicious when a new customer was buying two but they apparently weren't that concerned of what options they had. Started asking what was the least expensive in inventory.

I am not entirely sure I see how this is a scam. The dealer sold 2 units. They made their money. The buyer bought the vehicle. Isn't this just capitalism?

Heck, if it was sold locally, the dealer might still get some of the service business.

The dealers faking buyers to allow them to order in a market where Ford is trying to limit to actual customer orders is a scam. That is bypassing a system that was intended to favor actual customers. For all we know, those vehicles were ordered using that approach an the scam started at the dealer level. Thoughts?

 

[LinkedMe]

I am not entirely sure I see how this is a scam. The dealer sold 2 units. They made their money. The buyer bought the vehicle. Isn't this just capitalism?

Heck, if it was sold locally, the dealer might still get some of the service business.

The dealers faking buyers to allow them to order in a market where Ford is trying to limit to actual customer orders is a scam. That is bypassing a system that was intended to favor actual customers. For all we know, those vehicles were ordered using that approach an the scam started at the dealer level. Thoughts?

Maybe scammed wasn't the best word but if you think about it, if the dealer sells at full MSRP, yes they made money and after all their expenses I assume a tidy profit. Now realize that by selling those cars and someone flipping them, the "flipper" probably made an even larger percentage "profit" for their efforts than the dealer did and this person profited without all the overhead expenses (salary, light, heat, A/C, salaries, taxes etc.). A bigger issue is now the dealer has no inventory to offer their repeat customers in this inventory storage environment. That's a loser long term for the dealership. I'm not condoning dealers making extra money by marking up but I can see where they feel they were (somewhat) forced to do it.

 

[MCM]

New to the forum, love my old 2014 Lincoln MKZ Hybrid with 188k miles, wish they still made them. Dropping in to give my 2023 Corsair GT order status/update/experience.

Ordered mine on 9/12 (yes, the first day they could accept orders - my dealership hadn't even realized they could yet) confirmed by email on 9/13. Package/options were wrong on confirmation email, but...

12/1/22 - Received production scheduling email w/ VIN. VIN shows correct package. Production scheduled for week of 1/30/23
1/17/23 - Production date changed to 2/6/23
1/24/23 - Production date changed to 2/13/23
1/31/23 - Production date changed to 2/20/23
2/7/23 - Production date changed to 3/6/23

We shall see what news next Tuesday brings. I'm hoping since the last notice was a 2 week bump instead of the 1 week they have got the scheduling delays under control . I also know the Corsair order number, not sure if that's info to share or not.

 

[DomDoobie]

New to the forum, love my old 2014 Lincoln MKZ Hybrid with 188k miles, wish they still made them. Dropping in to give my 2023 Corsair GT order status/update/experience.

Ordered mine on 9/12 (yes, the first day they could accept orders - my dealership hadn't even realized they could yet) confirmed by email on 9/13. Package/options were wrong on confirmation email, but...

12/1/22 - Received production scheduling email w/ VIN. VIN shows correct package. Production scheduled for week of 1/30/23
1/17/23 - Production date changed to 2/6/23
1/24/23 - Production date changed to 2/13/23
1/31/23 - Production date changed to 2/20/23
2/7/23 - Production date changed to 3/6/23

We shall see what news next Tuesday brings. I'm hoping since the last notice was a 2 week bump instead of the 1 week they have got the scheduling delays under control . I also know the Corsair order number, not sure if that's info to share or not.

Well that sucks ! You were one of the first orders and still no GT Hope it comes soon !