My dad ordered and bought a new escalade cpl mnths back. It looks nice. I wouldn't mind a gm but they aren't as special as people make em out to be. My wife and I drove a few gm denalis and drove a current nav after both times. Both times she liked the nav more.
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That's true about the delivery time - I just bought an X5 (same factory, same line): ordered Sept, delivered in Nov, BUT there are a few gotchas to the process (which I'm intimately familiar with
)After your order, BMW could change options - while this appears to be over now, back in Q3/4 2021 many vehicles were delivered without touchscreens, trailer hitch option, rear seat pulls, no wireless charging, no wifi, no soft-close doors, no heated/cooled cup holders and a whole raft of other potential - but small? - misses.
So, while people did get their vehicles relatively fast, there is the potential it'll be missing something you wanted (though, again, post-order changes seem to be over for now). My vehicle is missing the wireless charging & the rear seat pulls in the cargo area - neither was a huge deal for me & I knew it going in, so I went ahead with delivery.
In case you weren't aware, I would say the competitor to the Navigator is more the Alpina XB7 if one is comparing top-of-the-range like to like; but it's priced significantly higher.
With that, the reason I have a Navigator L on order is because, like you said, the X7/XB7 is really a slightly larger X5 versus a body-on-frame full size SUV that the Navigator (and escalade and grand wagoneer) is. Size-wise, the X7 seems to more compare to the new Sequoia and some of the other newer large mid-size SUVs coming out.
If you do want an X7 the key is to find a dealer that has an allocation available - ideally one going into production in the next few weeks. The way it works is, dealers are given allocations monthly and if they don't have a customer for them they config them however they want and place the order. If a customer shows up before the vehicle goes into production ("status 150") then the dealer can re-spec the order to your config.
So, a given dealer may not have any allocations for you this month, but wants to lock you in for next month's allocations ... versus another dealer who either has an allocation waiting to be spec'd or one going into production next week they can update. Thus delivery timing is 95% dependent on the dealer you pick and the allocations they have (and where those allocations stand in the production queue).
The vehicle takes about a day to produce, but from status 150 to completion it's about 2 weeks (though, as I said 21Q3/4 there were some glitches to this). Then, depending on where you live, delivery can take anywhere from a few days to 3 weeks for, say, West Coast deliveries. BMW has a train depot right in the factory so once the vehicle is done it either is put onto a train or truck for near-state deliveries.
If you happen to live within 500 miles of the factory and you find a dealer with an allocation about to go into production you could get your vehicle in 3 weeks which isn't uncommon. If, on the other hand, your dealer doesn't tell you the whole truth about their allocation statuses (some like to lead on customers, placing higher margin customers in the queue before others) it could take 6 months or more.
In my case, I validated my dealer's allocation and production timing (this is easy to do with BMW as you can request a production number & then validate the production week yourself!), but I also live on the west coast, so it took 10 weeks.
If a dealer won't give you a production number there is no allocation! Unfortunately, some dealers take advantage of people who don't know BMW's process; once you have that production number you can log into BMW's website (mygarage.bmwusa.com), assign it to you, and check the config. Via the 1800 you can call BMWUSA and independently confirm the production date.
Once you know how, finding an allocation with an acceptable production week and tracking the status is fairly easy: there's a 1800 number to call & a web site that tracks each step.
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Thank you so much for your detailed reply. I’m not interested in the X7 as it’s simply not big enough for my family. I’m eyeballing the 2022 Lexus LX quite heavily as a back up. As soon as it’s on the lots, I’ll check it out. I need a car in the next three or so months so I’ve got to figure out a back up plan.That's true about the delivery time - I just bought an X5 (same factory, same line): ordered Sept, delivered in Nov, BUT there are a few gotchas to the process (which I'm intimately familiar with
After your order, BMW could change options - while this appears to be over now, back in Q3/4 2021 many vehicles were delivered without touchscreens, trailer hitch option, rear seat pulls, no wireless charging, no wifi, no soft-close doors, no heated/cooled cup holders and a whole raft of other potential - but small? - misses.
So, while people did get their vehicles relatively fast, there is the potential it'll be missing something you wanted (though, again, post-order changes seem to be over for now). My vehicle is missing the wireless charging & the rear seat pulls in the cargo area - neither was a huge deal for me & I knew it going in, so I went ahead with delivery.
In case you weren't aware, I would say the competitor to the Navigator is more the Alpina XB7 if one is comparing top-of-the-range like to like; but it's priced significantly higher.
With that, the reason I have a Navigator L on order is because, like you said, the X7/XB7 is really a slightly larger X5 versus a body-on-frame full size SUV that the Navigator (and escalade and grand wagoneer) is. Size-wise, the X7 seems to more compare to the new Sequoia and some of the other newer large mid-size SUVs coming out.
If you do want an X7 the key is to find a dealer that has an allocation available - ideally one going into production in the next few weeks. The way it works is, dealers are given allocations monthly and if they don't have a customer for them they config them however they want and place the order. If a customer shows up before the vehicle goes into production ("status 150") then the dealer can re-spec the order to your config.
So, a given dealer may not have any allocations for you this month, but wants to lock you in for next month's allocations ... versus another dealer who either has an allocation waiting to be spec'd or one going into production next week they can update. Thus delivery timing is 95% dependent on the dealer you pick and the allocations they have (and where those allocations stand in the production queue).
The vehicle takes about a day to produce, but from status 150 to completion it's about 2 weeks (though, as I said 21Q3/4 there were some glitches to this). Then, depending on where you live, delivery can take anywhere from a few days to 3 weeks for, say, West Coast deliveries. BMW has a train depot right in the factory so once the vehicle is done it either is put onto a train or truck for near-state deliveries.
If you happen to live within 500 miles of the factory and you find a dealer with an allocation about to go into production you could get your vehicle in 3 weeks which isn't uncommon. If, on the other hand, your dealer doesn't tell you the whole truth about their allocation statuses (some like to lead on customers, placing higher margin customers in the queue before others) it could take 6 months or more.
In my case, I validated my dealer's allocation and production timing (this is easy to do with BMW as you can request a production number & then validate the production week yourself!), but I also live on the west coast, so it took 10 weeks.
If a dealer won't give you a production number there is no allocation! Unfortunately, some dealers take advantage of people who don't know BMW's process; once you have that production number you can log into BMW's website (mygarage.bmwusa.com), assign it to you, and check the config. Via the 1800 you can call BMWUSA and independently confirm the production date.
Once you know how, finding an allocation with an acceptable production week and tracking the status is fairly easy: there's a 1800 number to call & a web site that tracks each step.
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From a delivery perspective the Lexus is highly likely to be unavailable as Toyota is pushing out dates farther & father and even people with, say, Tacomas (same TNGA-F platform & engines) ordered back in October are still waiting despite having Dec delivery dates.
It's a rough go these days ...
but who knows, apparently it's still listed as "available Q1" so who knows!
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Very helpful. Bought the stock as a back up as well. Thank you.
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Went to the Chicago Auto Show. First time to sit in 2022.
BL L only has exterior pics so the interior were from the Reserve model.
Production of mine was also pushed back to week 3/21.
BL L only has exterior pics so the interior were from the Reserve model.
Production of mine was also pushed back to week 3/21.
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Is it what you expected?
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Well????? REVIEW!!!
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Yes but would have been better if I was able to test drive haha
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I would have done a review if I get to test drive. But it feels so good sitting even in the reserve. The leather materials on display feels really luxurious. The new display looks readily good.
The lady gave me $750 digital voucher I can use when I pick up the SUV.
Sorry.
When I checked the Auto Show website about a month ago, the Nav wasn't listed. I may go now.
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It'd be great to hear from anyone familiar with the 21s how the 22 interior is...
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people have noted distinct changes like the headrests, some things on the dash like the light controls, amongst other things ....
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I looked through the build your 22 navigator site and there are some differences
Sync 4 instead of sync 3
Touch screen is same physical size but screen size looks bigger
Larger chrome trim under grill
Hands free driving on certain roads (interstate's?)
Looks like only one size in the black label. Hard to tell but it looks like the longer version.
Different colors. (To bad they got rid if flight blue metallic. I really like that color. Looks available in reserve)
21 site used to tell you MSRP of your build but the 22 site has a dealer contact you.
Headrests on front 30 way seats look different.
I am sure there are more but thats what i noticed.
I wonder if they ever move the older sync 3 vehicles to sync 4 with a software update or if that would cause issues?
Happy ordering and driving!
Sync 4 instead of sync 3
Touch screen is same physical size but screen size looks bigger
Larger chrome trim under grill
Hands free driving on certain roads (interstate's?)
Looks like only one size in the black label. Hard to tell but it looks like the longer version.
Different colors. (To bad they got rid if flight blue metallic. I really like that color. Looks available in reserve)
21 site used to tell you MSRP of your build but the 22 site has a dealer contact you.
Headrests on front 30 way seats look different.
I am sure there are more but thats what i noticed.
I wonder if they ever move the older sync 3 vehicles to sync 4 with a software update or if that would cause issues?
Happy ordering and driving!
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Was this standard or was there some reason they did this for you specifically (give you $750 voucher). If standard, might be worth a drive downtown and dealing with all that!
Hi MP. Concerning your question about will Lincoln "move the older SYNC 3 vehicles to SYNC 4": No, that will not happen, and Lincoln/Ford have already stated so. SYNC 4 is both a significant hardware and software upgrade from SYNC 3.
Whereas SYNC 3 was/is mainly an infotainment system, SYNC 4 is integrated into the entire vehicle. It will be able to receive OTA (Over the Air) updates to major vehicle systems, such as the ECM/PCM, TCM etc. etc.
In addition to replacing a significant part of the the SYNC hardware itself and software changes/upgrades, a good part of the wiring harnesses would need to be replaced, in order to even begin integrating SYNC 4 into a SYNC 3 vehicle.
Good luck.
Couple of note. Screen physical size is also larger and the LCD goes to the border (smaller black border). You cannot software upgrade the Sync 3.x to 4. EPM hardware is different and SYNC4 requires more memory and faster CPU which older EPM lacks.
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When I checked the Auto Show website about a month ago, the Nav wasn't listed. I may go
This is what they gave me. I just told them I pre ordered. They took my email or cell and sent me the link.
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