2021 Tow Capacity - Is it Safe

As a followup, the dealer is now changing the oil at 8k intervals. I did the 1st one at 4,500 using only full synthetic. I provide full synthetic to the dealer now and they pull a sample for Blackstone. I'm a firm believer in good oil for the inner workings of an engine as we plan on running a while and a bit hard.

The trailers we are looking at have the curved front, so may have less real wing load. Hopefully. We are actually looking at the F150 pickup to have somewhat larger margins in towing something like the 21DS Flagstaff - Flagstaff Micro Lite 21DS | Forest River RV - Manufacturer of Travel Trailers - Fifth Wheels - Tent Campers - Motorhomes
 
Good for you to analyze as well. If you tow a reasonable amount, I'd be curious as to the results of your analysis for the first batch you run 8000 miles on. If you wouldn't mind sharing that with me when it happens in the future, I'd appreciate it. I'm not worried, but since turbos are oil heaters, I'd be curious what it shows.
 
We just had our first tow with this car and our boat. I'm estimating the weight to have been (trailer included) in the 6000# range. We don't get over 30 mph so I'm not concerned with going to/from the boat ramp from my home. It did well; no issues pulling out of the water on the ramp.

If only I could turn the camera on! In my Expedition when I installed the camera I wired it always powered (vs. getting power from the reverse light circuit) so that I can view it on demand. It's nice to periodically look back and at least see the front two trailer tires.

Does anyone know how to turn the rear camera on when moving forward at speed (towing)?
 
I've wondered that for a while also.
As the original thread starter, just want to add that we have on order an F150 that will have margin when towing the size trailers we are looking at. We may sell or trade our Aviator as the dealers have offered us nearly what we paid. The truck is in production now and the "blend date" was 6/26. Hopefully only a couple more months.
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Too funny. I started to go down your path in a response, but decided not to. Since you lead the way, however I'll choose this opportunity to chime in!

You're right on target - frontal area and drag coefficient are a linear relationship to total drag load, speed is a quadratic (much more impact). The reality is that the pointy nose (oblique angle) of a boat may NOT be substantially different than the overall drag coefficient presented by the towed enclosed trailer. Yes, a blunt 'square' perpendicular profile of a typical enclosed trailer is about as bad of an aerodynamic profile (i.e. drag coefficient) as you can get; however a typical boat has enough crap sticking out there (like a center console, top, whatever) such that it may not be all that much better off.

The bottom line is these vehicles can tow a lot. Keep good oil in them and you'll be fine. I've run in excess of 15K mile oil change intervals (synthetic) on my '12 Expedition. Each oil analysis says all is fine. I don't have the towing package (additional coolers), I tow a boat in excess of 6000# to the keys once a year in the middle of the summer. I am just now changing my transmission fluid out at over 100K miles (3 bleed and feed evolutions). Albeit brown at the first drain - no smell, no issue. The car is great. I've run extended intervals on all my vehicles (tow vehicles included) for all of my adult life (at least once or twice backed by oil analysis for each car) and vehicles have tested fine with no degradation in oil specifications. We're talking since 1983.

I must say that I believe the 3.0L turbo is likely taxed, but the transmissions are certainly rated for the duty. I had an '84 Turbo GT Mustang that I drove at the track quite a bit (road coarse) with synthetic oil (Amsoil in the day). It was a 2.3L turbo I eventually intercooled with 15 lbs. of boost. The first time I put an oil temperature gauge on it I about $hit a brick - I hit 300 degrees oil temp in 3 laps! Shortly thereafter I put an oil cooler in. At 80K miles (likely 7K of which were on race tracks) I finally blew a head gasket AND the turbo exhaust housing was cracked (whistled for a while). When I pulled the heads off I could still see the OEM cross-hatching in the cylinder bores. I swapped the head gasket, put on a new turbo exhaust housing and back together. It ran great for many more miles. I can't imagine the Aviator (with todays advanced technology) is taxing the 3L motor any more than I did my 2.3 36 years ago.

As long as you follow the OEM warning as to when to change - you'll be fine. If you're really anxious - run synthetic oil (and they're all excellent these days - I just stocked up on Kirkland at a very reasonable price).
inmanlanier...so you tow a boat a fair distance with your Aviator? We just upgraded to an 2020 Aviator Reserve AWD with the towing package so we could tow more than our previous vehicle (Volvo XC90). We are in the market for a wakeboard boat that weighs 5,400lbs. I assume we'd be okay trailering it short distances. Thoughts?
 
inmanlanier...so you tow a boat a fair distance with your Aviator? We just upgraded to an 2020 Aviator Reserve AWD with the towing package so we could tow more than our previous vehicle (Volvo XC90). We are in the market for a wakeboard boat that weighs 5,400lbs. I assume we'd be okay trailering it short distances. Thoughts?
Depending on equipment the towing limit ranges 5600 to 6700 pounds for non-hybrid 2020 Aviator. See notes for requirements to get to those limits. If it were me I would be looking to have a cushion in the towed load.


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Depending on equipment the towing limit ranges 5600 to 6700 pounds for non-hybrid 2020 Aviator. See notes for requirements to get to those limits. If it were me I would be looking to have a cushion in the towed load.


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Yep. I am aware of that, and that ours is a stated 6,700 lbs. That's why I was interested in inmanlanier's real world experience. I know we are pushing it, but we should be fine. From a power perspective, (and I know there are many more details that go into a tow rating, but...), our old '08 Expedition only had 300hp/375 ft-lbs as I recall, and it towed our wakeboard boat just fine.
 
Yep. I am aware of that, and that ours is a stated 6,700 lbs. That's why I was interested in inmanlanier's real world experience. I know we are pushing it, but we should be fine. From a power perspective, (and I know there are many more details that go into a tow rating, but...), our old '08 Expedition only had 300hp/375 ft-lbs as I recall, and it towed our wakeboard boat just fine.
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Yes, you are corrected in the stated weight of 6700 lb but keep in mind that the same vehicle for 2022 had that reduced to 5500 lb.

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inmanlanier...so you tow a boat a fair distance with your Aviator? We just upgraded to an 2020 Aviator Reserve AWD with the towing package so we could tow more than our previous vehicle (Volvo XC90). We are in the market for a wakeboard boat that weighs 5,400lbs. I assume we'd be okay trailering it short distances. Thoughts?
Sorry for the delay - on vacation - towing in fact!

There are a variety of factors/limits that come into play when towing: braking, cooling, dynamic stability, tongue load on rear wheel bearings, etc. Towing the rated load limit at 1 mph is of no concern. Sustained towing of such a load at 80mph, however is IHMO. Somewhere between is a safe and rational speed and distance that should be fine.

We have a 5 mile run to our local boat ramp. We never exceed 30 mph. I have disk brakes on my trailer. Our local trips are likely at a weight of 6000 lbs. (My estimate). I have no worries with such trips frequently with the Aviator. Likely in a pinch we'll also do our wintertime spanish mackerel fishing in Stuart (1 hour trip) with the Aviator. That has some highway driving.

We are now in the FL keys for our annual family trip. It's about a 5 hour trip; the first 2 hours at interstate speeds, remainder at 45mph. I will only consider towing with the Aviator if the Expedition is out of commission; interstate speeds likely reduced to 55 or so (we tow via the Expedition at 65).

I don't know if you'll get anyone to give you a hard and limiting max weight because for the reasons stated 'it depends'. I personally would have no worries towing a 5400# load. Until I find the basis for the de-rate of my 2022, I'm still not giving it a lot if credence (my weight likely exceeds 5600# even at the lightest fuel and gear load). Be smart and safe and you should be fine.

BTW - do NOT use trailer tires. They are totally unsafe these days. I used to run 'LT' tires, now there is a Euro 'C' (commercial) spec with D load range. PM me if you want details. Now I worry about tie valve stem age! The POS glues they use fail after a few years.
 
Sorry for the delay - on vacation - towing in fact!

There are a variety of factors/limits that come into play when towing: braking, cooling, dynamic stability, tongue load on rear wheel bearings, etc. Towing the rated load limit at 1 mph is of no concern. Sustained towing of such a load at 80mph, however is IHMO. Somewhere between is a safe and rational speed and distance that should be fine.

We have a 5 mile run to our local boat ramp. We never exceed 30 mph. I have disk brakes on my trailer. Our local trips are likely at a weight of 6000 lbs. (My estimate). I have no worries with such trips frequently with the Aviator. Likely in a pinch we'll also do our wintertime spanish mackerel fishing in Stuart (1 hour trip) with the Aviator. That has some highway driving.

We are now in the FL keys for our annual family trip. It's about a 5 hour trip; the first 2 hours at interstate speeds, remainder at 45mph. I will only consider towing with the Aviator if the Expedition is out of commission; interstate speeds likely reduced to 55 or so (we tow via the Expedition at 65).

I don't know if you'll get anyone to give you a hard and limiting max weight because for the reasons stated 'it depends'. I personally would have no worries towing a 5400# load. Until I find the basis for the de-rate of my 2022, I'm still not giving it a lot if credence (my weight likely exceeds 5600# even at the lightest fuel and gear load). Be smart and safe and you should be fine.

BTW - do NOT use trailer tires. They are totally unsafe these days. I used to run 'LT' tires, now there is a Euro 'C' (commercial) spec with D load range. PM me if you want details. Now I worry about tie valve stem age! The POS glues they use fail after a few years.
Thanks. Two things...I can't see on this forum how to PM someone. Maybe I am missing something. Secondly, I have the dynamic ride package (air suspension). Assuming a tongue weight of around 540lbs, I wonder how the rear suspension holds up once the boat and trailer is connected. With your boat, is your Aviator "okay" with that somewhat similar tongue weight. again, I appreciate the RWE.
 
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BTW - do NOT use trailer tires. They are totally unsafe these days. I used to run 'LT' tires, now there is a Euro 'C' (commercial) spec with D load range. PM me if you want details. Now I worry about tie valve stem age! The POS glues they use fail after a few years.

I take it you are not a fan of Goodyear Endurance?!
Personally I am OK with LT. But use GYE. Don't have a lot of use at this point. And like your boating experience, it is 55 miles to boat ramp for me. Most at speeds 45mph and less. I tow 7400 pounds of boat on a dual axle trailer. Because the boat trailer is designed to be low for easier launching the rim size is 14". Finding a LT tire in a 14" rim is not easy or it is not made. And would never consider a P tire.

My trailer load is 86% of the Navigator max and 84% of the tire max

I have moved away from rubber valve stems and only use metal valve stems on trailers no matter what tire pressures used. The tire shop will specify rubber for the trailer because the pressures are low compared to some other vehicles. Just eliminating past problems.

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That works, except if someone were to try and send you one. ;)

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Maybe its because I'm new, but when I hover over a name, there are two buttons on the left...Follow and Ignore, and there is no "start a conversation" option that I see. Maybe I am missing something.
 
Maybe its because I'm new, but when I hover over a name, there are two buttons on the left...Follow and Ignore, and there is no "start a conversation" option that I see. Maybe I am missing something.
It could be because you have recently joined. That would not apply to Action though and I sent him some steps to follow to see if that fixes his issue since he is in the same boat. Waiting to see if solved the issue.

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I made the change and think that button is available.

Did not know it was turned off

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All is good now.

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Maybe its because I'm new, but when I hover over a name, there are two buttons on the left...Follow and Ignore, and there is no "start a conversation" option that I see. Maybe I am missing something.
You seem to have it now.

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Thanks. Two things...I can't see on this forum how to PM someone. Maybe I am missing something. Secondly, I have the dynamic ride package (air suspension). Assuming a tongue weight of around 540lbs, I wonder how the rear suspension holds up once the boat and trailer is connected. With your boat, is your Aviator "okay" with that somewhat similar tongue weight. again, I appreciate the RWE.
I would venture a guess that 540# on my tongue is low - likely more since I know it loads the Car quite a bit. I've never measured since it always towed stably. I am the not the dynamic suspension. If there were specific caveats on limitations to towing with the dynamic suspension, I would expect them to be clearly delineated in the vehicle literature.
 
I take it you are not a fan of Goodyear Endurance?!
I'm against any tire manufactured to the'Trailer' tire designation. It is an antiquated tire spec the lobbyists have succeeded in squelching changes to that is IMHO now unsafe. A few years ago my bud bought 4 brand new 'E' rated Goodyears in the course of a trip from West Palm to Key West then back to West Palm (200 miles each way). The others were failing at the start (from West Palm down to Homestead). They were the only ones they could find. As I remember, three of the new ones failed in the return. His boat weight was likely 7500 in that trip.
Finding a LT tire in a 14" rim is not easy or it is not made. And would never consider a P tire.
The commercial spec I believe has limited 14". There are numerous 15s including 205/70.
I have moved away from rubber valve stems and only use metal valve stems on trailers no matter what tire pressures used.
I use longer ones that are mostly metal - the rubber portion (where it meets the base does fine - of late (2 years ago) the glue failed where the metal joins the rubber. I now take a pair of pliers and try and twist the metal stem within a month of our annual longer trip. No issues with that test yest. I also have gone back to two spares since two years ago one tire failed going down. On the trip back one stem failed. I limped 8 miles on only 1 tire that side - the nearby store refused to replace the valve. I got lucky 10 min before closing another store obliged.
 
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