2023 Corsair orders, build dates

[Vlincoln]

Congrats and drive it in good health ! (With no service needed lol)

Haha! Thank you! Much appreciated!

 

[BMM1]

Quick update! I received an email from Lincoln stating things will be static for the next few weeks. AKA still in order processing.

So Lincoln sent you an e-mail saying that nothing was going to happen with your order for the next few weeks? I haven't even received that from them. I got an initial e-mail about my order being accepted and then complete silence for over 2 and a half months.

 

[LinkedMe]

You may want to look into premium fuel requirement a little more. Sometimes the requirement is there to maximize power. Most vehicles can run safely on 87 octane. The spark, cam timing and fuel delivery get adjusted.

I think Ford recommends 87 octane for the 2.0L Ecoboost, but recommends premium if towing.

Some vehicles REQUIRE Premium and some RECOMMEND Premium for optimal performance. Volvo XC60 Recharge does "REQUIRE" Premium fuel. Here's a screen shot from their manual and the fuel port lists 91 Octane Required.
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Octane rating​

Volvo requires premium fuel (91 octane or higher) for all B4, B5, B6 and T8 engines, and recommends AKI 93 for optimal performance and fuel economy. See decal examples in illustrations 1 and 2.

Minimum octane​

Decals​

 

[JB IN AZ]

Some vehicles REQUIRE Premium and some RECOMMEND Premium for optimal performance. Volvo XC60 Recharge does "REQUIRE" Premium fuel. ...

It is amazing to me how many people don't understand this!

AND some manufacturers even recommend premium (91 octane) for the same engine that is used in their non-luxury brand models, because they are Luxury brands, and their clientele seems proud to have to use the more expensive 91 octane fuel. The higher octane MAY provide higher HP and torque on some. (example the 2.5T in some Mazda models are advertised with different outputs with different fuels. I never us more than is needed. I rarely use anywhere near full throttle, so I wouldn't notice any slight HP or Torque improvement. 0-60 is not important to me.

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[DomDoobie]

It is amazing to me how many people don't understand this!

AND some manufacturers even recommend premium (91 octane) for the same engine that is used in their non-luxury brand models, because they are Luxury brands, and their clientele seems proud to have to use the more expensive 91 octane fuel. The higher octane MAY provide higher HP and torque on some. (example the 2.5T in some Mazda models are advertised with different outputs with different fuels. I never us more than is needed. I rarely use anywhere near full throttle, so I wouldn't notice any slight HP or Torque improvement. 0-60 is not important to me.

My twin turbo 3.0 Lincoln MKZ seemed to run better on regular but like you said it was rated to get the 400hp with premium. Otherwise regular was fine. Now I’m not sure about this one just throwing it out there. I wonder if the premium gas which would burn hotter would have less carbon buildup on the valves ? Direct injection with any manufacturer has this problem with buildup.

 

[LinkedMe]

Think this answers your question?

Will premium gas clean my engine?​

No, premium gas isn't a secret sauce for cleaning your engine. The main concern in engine maintenance is carbon build-up, which can happen over time with all fuel types if you skip routine checks. The good news is that both regular and premium gas have detergents that can reduce carbon deposits to an extent. If you're buying premium, those detergents may be more powerful. Nevertheless, the key to a clean fuel system is to have your vehicle professionally serviced.

 

[DomDoobie]

Think this answers your question?

Will premium gas clean my engine?​

No, premium gas isn't a secret sauce for cleaning your engine. The main concern in engine maintenance is carbon build-up, which can happen over time with all fuel types if you skip routine checks. The good news is that both regular and premium gas have detergents that can reduce carbon deposits to an extent. If you're buying premium, those detergents may be more powerful. Nevertheless, the key to a clean fuel system is to have your vehicle professionally serviced.

That’s correct. However since the fuel is direct injected to the cylinder it never touches the valve like fuel coming from an intake going past the valves. So the detergents have no effect on the carbon buildup on the valves. That’s why they have all these different methods for cleaning but the most effective is walnut shell blasting but it’s expensive. Look it up it’s common with all direct injected engines. I think I read somewhere ford went away from direct injection now.

 

[bbf2530]

Hi gang. Just as an FYI: Apples to apples, premium fuels do not burn hotter, keep an engine cleaner, etc. etc. The octane and other additives in premium fuels simply help deter premature detonation/engine knock/pinging, which then allows for a higher compression ratio. It is the higher compression ration which premium fuel allows (without knocking) which provides the additional power in our vehicles.

In other words, premium fuel itself has no more *power* than regular gasoline. And it doees nothing to avoid carbon buildup in a DI engine. The anti-knock properties which the octane provides simply allows an engine management system to increase the compression ratio, which then provides more power.

So apples to apples, using premium fuel (versus regular) from the same major brand will do nothing to avoid carbon or other valve buildup. If you need the extra power, use premium. If the added ~25-30 horsepower means nothing to you (the average driver rarely/never comes close to using full power anyway), then save the money and use regular.

Hope that is written somewhat understandably.

Good luck.

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[JB IN AZ]

Hi gang. Just as an FYI: Apples to apples, premium fuels do not burn hotter, keep an engine cleaner, etc. etc. The octane and other additives in premium fuels simply help deter premature detonation/engine knock/pinging, which then allows for a higher compression ratio. It is the higher compression ration which premium fuel allows (without knocking) which provides the additional power in our vehicles.

In other words, premium fuel itself has no more *power* than regular gasoline. And it doees nothing to avoid carbon buildup in a DI engine. The anti-knock properties which the octane provides simply allows an engine management system to increase the compression ratio, which then provides more power.

So apples to apples, using premium fuel (versus regular) from the same major brand will do nothing to avoid carbon or other valve buildup. If you need the extra power, use premium. If the added ~25-30 horsepower means nothing to you (the average driver rarely/never comes close to using full power anyway), then save the money and use a regular.

Hope that is written somewhat understandably.

Good luck.

It was my understanding that there are just a few manufacturers that can actually change the compression ratio (Nissan, Infiniti). In all others, burning premium may allow the timing to be adjusted to increase performance. Again, my understanding, as changing the compression ratio would seem to require physical parts vs electronics.

EDIT...OK I see what you are saying. An engine with a higher compression ratio will require higher octane, and will likely provide more horse power. My point is within the same engine, using higher octane might allow the timing to be modified which would provide some extra horse power. Only the few manufacturers I mentioned above build engines that can adjust the compression ratio "on the fly"

 

[bbf2530]

It was my understanding that there are just a few manufacturers that can actually change the compression ratio (Nissan, Infiniti). In all others, burning premium may allow the timing to be adjusted to increase performance. Again, my understanding, as changing the compression ratio would seem to require physical parts vs electronics.

Hi JB. Without getting into all sorts of engine technicalities which will only confuse me...lol..., adjusting the valve timing (in this case) essentially adjusts the net cylinder compression by keeping the exhaust valves closed for a longer time period, thus allowing a longer piston stroke/higher compression before the exhaust valve/valves open and the spent cylinder gasses evacuate. This provides more power.

So the final effect that higher octane provides is allowing a higher compression ratio before the spark plugs fire and the exhaust valves open, without incurring premature detonation due to compression.

And before we get too far off the subject of what higher octane fuels do (or don't do), which is not even the original subject of the thread (2023 Corsair build dates...lol)...the added costs of premium fuels will not keep the back sides of the valves cleaner in a DI engine. Mission creep...lol!

Again, a simplified explanation, but I hope I explained that in an understandable manner.

Good luck.

 

[olderbudweiser]

My twin turbo 3.0 Lincoln MKZ seemed to run better on regular but like you said it was rated to get the 400hp with premium. Otherwise regular was fine. Now I’m not sure about this one just throwing it out there. I wonder if the premium gas which would burn hotter would have less carbon buildup on the valves ? Direct injection with any manufacturer has this problem with buildup.

Higher octane fuels burn cooler, helps to stop detonation.

With todays engine mapping the risk of detonation (spark knock) is minimal. One just has to be careful using a tune that overrides some of the spark, fuel controls. Denotation in a forced induction engine can put holes in the pistons in a matter of seconds.

 

[bbf2530]

Higher octane fuels burn cooler, helps to stop detonation.

With todays engine mapping the risk of detonation (spark knock) is minimal. One just has to be careful using a tune that overrides some of the spark, fuel controls. Denotation in a forced induction engine can put holes in the pistons in a matter of seconds.

Hi olderbudweiser. I know it may seem like semantics, but to avoid confusion for others: Higher octane fuel does not "burn cooler". It simply has additives which boost the octane/octane rating. And higher octane allows premium fuels to resist premature detonation. Allowing for higher compression, which equates to more power.

Once ignited, apples to apples, premium fuel burns at the same temperature as regular. No higher, no lower.

Good luck.

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[DomDoobie]

Ok all that being said any updates on anyone’s orders lol. Hope pics will be posted when they start coming in !

 

[Kfs6377]

Placed my 23 Corsair order today. Happy to find this forum to watch everyone’s builds come in. Hoping to be in mine by the summer!
Kendall in SC

Order:
Pristine White
Cashew interior
Reserve Collection III


Order Placed: 1/28/2023
Order Scheduled:
Build:
Shipped:

 

[DomDoobie]

Placed my 23 Corsair order today. Happy to find this forum to watch everyone’s builds come in. Hoping to be in mine by the summer!
Kendall in SC

Order:
Pristine White
Cashew interior
Reserve Collection III


Order Placed: 1/28/2023
Order Scheduled:
Build:
Shipped:

Hope production eventually ramps up and you get yours sooner than later !

 

[LinkedMe]

To get this Thread back on track. No word yet, other than a confirmation the day after ordering (Sept 14, 2022), that the order is received by Lincoln.

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[questa98]

Based on this letter issued to the plant on 1/19/23, I think they actually started production on 1/20/23. Hopefully we will see some serving at dealers soon.

 

[Sharbotcom]

Based on this letter issued to the plant on 1/19/23, I think they actually started production on 1/20/23. Hopefully we will see some serving at dealers soon.

Too bad the vehicles shown are '22s and not '23s. But certainly encouraging news!

 

[BMM1]

Judging from the lack of activity in this thread I'm assuming there's no news at all to report on any '23 deliveries?

 

[ljnelson109]

Judging from the lack of activity in this thread I'm assuming there's no news at all to report on any '23 deliveries?

I am going this afternoon to begin the search for an alternative vehicle. Does that answer your question?