We were typing at the same time. Wow, Priority Code 2, I don't even know what mine is and have my info. Wow, something is odd here.
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I don’t know if this will make you feel better or worse or indifferent
. I ordered on 10/18. I was originally scheduled for 2/28 but have been bumped back as everyone else has. However I talked to my salesman a week, maybe 2, before I was scheduled and he told me I had been bumped to a Priority 2 and that usually happens as you get close to being scheduled. Who knows if thats true or he was just trying to make me happy haha. Also- according to Blue Oval they have not been scheduling Navs the last 2-3 weeks (maybe longer) but it looks like this week they are suppose to start scheduling again. So hopefully you’ll get good news soon!
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Yes thats what I was talking about I talked to an employee of KTP assembly plant and he was on the Lincoln launch team and he said that the Lincolns have a very low priority the Super Dutys take priority there Fords bread and butter!I don’t know if this will make you feel better or worse or indifferent
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This is true - I ordered my X5 in early September at the height of the slow-downs / options deletions and I picked it up in early Nov, so about 9-10 weeks ... but then I'm on the west coast and a good 5 weeks of that was train transport from the factory (it's fairly easy to track BMWs if you know the tricks).
So, net-net, if you live close to the factory especially within trucking distance, AND you picked up a dealer allocation that was just about to go into production then it's easily conceivable to get one in 4 weeks as it takes about 2-3 weeks from production status to factory exit.
Obviously Ford orders are taking much longer ... BUT it should be noted that BMW was deleting options like the Bowers stereo, touchscreens. trailer hitch, and all kinds of other stuff. I got lucky and am only missing wireless charging and cargo area rear seat pulls
EDIT: true story, even though I picked up my X5 in Nov I couldn't get my winter wheels/tires until today!
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Does BMW just not sell as much as Ford/Lincoln, so they have plenty of chips?
lets put it this way, bmw sold 330k in the us last year. Ford sold 220k Explorers alone.
So, to quote "My Cousin Vinny", my theory holds water? They can stockpile more chips due to a sheer lack of volume compared to Ford.
I was told by my dealer rep on Jan 11 that I was priority code 2. Six and a half weeks later I still have nothing. The Lincoln Concierge rep sounded confused as to why I didn’t have a VIN, email beyond initial order confirmation, build date (pushed out or not), etc.I don’t know if this will make you feel better or worse or indifferent
I would press the Concierge and take it higher. The dealer doesn't seem to care from what you are saying.
Tracker not working today. Hoping that means an update, hopefully earlier, to my production week is forthcoming.
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I don't think that makes much sense for a few reasons:
(1.) It's not just "chips" there are all kinds of shortages of every conceivable thing (e.g., Mercedes is not making V8s this year) - supply chain experts have warning auto makers about this problem for over a decade. It was simply a matter of time before it happened - this isn't a one-off, it's due to a systemic auto maker supply chain design problem.
(2.) BMW's factory was built as an inland port directly connected to shipping & rail lines with its own airport so it's got a ton of flexibility on how to get supplies
(3.) American suppliers use stupid supplier leveraging; that is, rather than contract for a specific numbers of parts they make their suppliers guess thus shifting the risk to them (but risking a supply constraint!). Suppliers use consulting firms (IHS Markit) to try to guess a manufacturer's needs. In this case, IHS Markit used low 2020 sales volumes which were way down due to covid and extrapolated to 2021, and then a demand spike happened, so it was a double whammy: low production combined with a demand spike.
(4.) American manufacturers use 20-year-old 200mm wafer chips which everyone else stopped using in the early 2000s in favor of 300mm+ chips. Since nobody wants to build a new factory for make old parts there's a global limit on supply and demand has wavered over the last 15 years making production spotty.
(5.) "American" excludes Tesla who both contracts for numbers AND employs engineers who can rewrite the code for whatever chips they can get. This is why Tesla had the highest 2021 production plant of any auto make anywhere in the world.
In short all American auto manufacturers except Tesla are inflexible and use extremely outdated engineering & supply modes. The general idea of Blue Oval City is to fix this problem amongst others.
Said simply, had Ford contracted for X million of chips in 2021 they would've hit the same production records Tesla did, but they use the old "profit from core and outsource everything else" model and it bit them in the arse hard.
In short, Ford engineers, supplies, & builds cars the old dumb way, and they know they have to fix that, and they are - but in the meantime parts are still being held up due to production limits, demand spikes, and transport holdups.
This isn't a one-off: chips were simply the first of many ICE parts shortages to come ...
Ford has 19 US plants. BMW has 1. The Kentucky plant alone produces 2112 vehicles per day, the BMW plant produces 1500 per day. I'm guessing that sheer volume difference makes logistics and predicting supply needs much more more difficult for Ford.
We get it. You love your BMW(s).
We get it. You love your BMW(s).
Yes, to simplify it, BMW problaby just bought more chips than they needed. Who knows, if I am guessing, i'd say that their low volume worked in their favor; meaning they bought more chips than they needed to get a volume discount.
Hyundai loaded up on chips before the shortage and they made bank.
Regardless of how anyone wants to spin this, all shortages seem to come back to chips. Whether that is direct supply or secondary as with the rear entertainment system. If other were to be believed (see post above), than why are there thousands of vehicles in parking lots surrounding manufacturing plants that are completely built and waiting for chips?
Just because the answer is simple, doesn't mean it's the wrong answer. Ford doesn't have enough chips. There are a myriad of reasons one can attribute to this situation, however, they all boil down to the causal factor for lack of production.
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Show of hands- who DOES NOT have a VIN/order date? If so, what was your order date? I'm in CA and don't have shit beyond the order conf email and my build sheet. Getting quite heated now.
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Volume is irrelevant to contracting for the right number in the first place AND having flexible supply lines to get them delivered - be it to 1 factory or 1000.
If you didn't contract for it, it doesn't matter how many more you're asking for, you can only have what's left. If you wanted more, you had to think of that ahead of time and contract for it. 50% too low, is too low no matter if you needed 5 or 5 billion.
And you get what can be delivered to you, so if you don't have supply lines optimized for each factory - be it 1 or 1000 - then you're going to get fewer than you bought.
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I ordered the last week in December and don’t have anything. I’ve talk to Lincoln and the dealership. The ordering manager called me last week and said I should have an update this week but nothing. I am going to call him today and see if I can get any information. I will say I ordered a reserve not Bl so maybe (and probably rightfully so) they are pushing out Bl before reserves.
I got the same email and I ordered my Reserve 4x4 on 1/21 as well.
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The 2022 Lincoln Navigator didn't begin production until February 2022. Add to that there were several Ford/Lincoln plants idled for a week by the chip shortages. Kentucky Truck, where the Navigator is built, was one of those plants.
Since this is a refresh, production volumes are lower at the start to resolve any unforeseen production issues before production is brought up to full speed. They may only build one or two a day and slowly ramp up to one or two an hour and gradually increase production. Depending on the number of changes that are made this process could take weeks or even months.
In addition, all vehicles being produced right now are most likely being held for final quality buy off by Lincoln upper management. This is typical of all Ford and Lincoln launches. The assembly plant must prove they can consistently build vehicles with the quality that is expected.
Patience is key here. Besides, I'd rather have a vehicle built 3 - 4 months into a launch than one that was built the first day.
Since this is a refresh, production volumes are lower at the start to resolve any unforeseen production issues before production is brought up to full speed. They may only build one or two a day and slowly ramp up to one or two an hour and gradually increase production. Depending on the number of changes that are made this process could take weeks or even months.
In addition, all vehicles being produced right now are most likely being held for final quality buy off by Lincoln upper management. This is typical of all Ford and Lincoln launches. The assembly plant must prove they can consistently build vehicles with the quality that is expected.
Patience is key here. Besides, I'd rather have a vehicle built 3 - 4 months into a launch than one that was built the first day.
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