2023 Corsair orders, build dates

OH...goody, received an email last night moving build week from Feb 6th to Feb 13 !!
My wife's order for a 2023 Corsair Reserve has also experienced additional slippage.

Another e-mail message from Lincoln Motor Company arrived last night to announce this vehicle's third production delay. Like olderbusweiser, my wife's Corsair's build date was rescheduled from the week of Feb. 6 to the week of Feb. 13.
 
Fortunaly we have a great vehicle to drive. This Corsair is for the wife. Currently have a Kia Telluride. Great vehicle. Does what members here expect active-glide to do. With cruise on negotiates highway curves hands free barley moving more than 12 inches latterly either direction.

Wife just wants something smaller.
I am happy to hear you have a nice vehicle in the meantime. We are fortunately in the same situation. I really feel for those who are not though. I realize not everything can be predicted, but this has been ongoing for a couple years now and I was initially told by Lincoln 8-12 weeks for a build date. Just wish they were more accurate and transparent.
 
I agree everyone is in the same "boat". Maybe just on other ends of the boat. I am going to go test drive a few brands this weekend. Acura, Mercedes, Volvo. 23's in stock to drive and potentially purchase. I am not sure I have heard of one 23 Corsair being delivered yet. Like I said I will wait until the end of February, in the meantime I am looking at backup plans. Fun to visit with you on this either way. After all, we as Lincoln purchasers are all in the same boat! I feel for all of us! Cheers! :)
Vlincoln. The Volvo XC60 PHEV was definitely on my radar. I found it to be a great vehicle, more powerful and has a little better eRange than the Corsair. It was very premium on the interior and seats were very comfortable, as was the Corsair 30-way seats, a prime consideration for us. It did however take Premium fuel when running on ICE. Many people say if you can afford a Luxury brand vehicle, then Premium fuel shouldn't be a consideration but, I have a mental block on paying more than necessary. The other reason I was going with the Corsair was that the Volvo didn't get the same level of reliability as the Lincoln, and the Lincoln is built/owned in the US. I like supporting American companies/employees. We have a Lincoln MKX now and it's been flawless. If I can't get my Corsair delivered in a timely manner this year (you'll see in other posts I had a '22 on order for almost a year before it was built but wasn't delivered in '22 so I ordered a '23) the XC60 will be my choice.
Good Luck with your shopping.
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I have a 2023 Lincoln Corsair Grand Touring on order since September 2022. I received my VIN two weeks ago, and (as of this writing) the build week is February 27. The Window Sticker is not yet available (probably mid-February?).

For what it's worth, I ordered a 2022 Corsair GT in April 2022 but it didn't show up at the dealer until October 2022. By that point, I'd seen the 2023 GT and it had features I wanted (e.g., Sync 4), so I ordered the 2023 and refused delivery of the 2022.
 
The delays make think there is something else in play other than the seatbelt chimes or constraints. Could be an okay from Federal government concerning some crash test or FE rating. (example only have no actual knowledge)

Even though Ford has met all the requirements dotted the I's crossed the T's, Uncle Sam still has give their approval.
 
Vlincoln. The Volvo XC60 PHEV was definitely on my radar. I found it to be a great vehicle, more powerful and has a little better eRange than the Corsair. It was very premium on the interior and seats were very comfortable, as was the Corsair 30-way seats, a prime consideration for us. It did however take Premium fuel when running on ICE. Many people say if you can afford a Luxury brand vehicle, then Premium fuel shouldn't be a consideration but, I have a mental block on paying more than necessary. The other reason I was going with the Corsair was that the Volvo didn't get the same level of reliability as the Lincoln, and the Lincoln is built/owned in the US. I like supporting American companies/employees. We have a Lincoln MKX now and it's been flawless. If I can't get my Corsair delivered in a timely manner this year (you'll see in other posts I had a '22 on order for almost a year before it was built but wasn't delivered in '22 so I ordered a '23) the XC60 will be my choice.
Good Luck with your shopping.
You may want to look into premium fuel requirement a little more. Sometimes the requirement is there to maximize power. Most vehicles can run safely on 87 octane. The spark, cam timing and fuel delivery get adjusted.

I think Ford recommends 87 octane for the 2.0L Ecoboost, but recommends premium if towing.
 
I'm starting to think the 2023 Corsair doesn't even exist. I just checked AutoTempest and there's not a single '23 for sale anywhere in the country. I waited 11 months for a C8 Corvette and while I wasn't happy about it I understood that it's not easy to crank out a ton of entirely new mid-engine sports cars with dual clutch transmissions. This is just an SUV that's not much different than what they have been making for years so I just don't get why there is such difficulty producing it. I'm pretty much right in the same boat as Vlincoln as far as looking at other alternatives if something doesn't change pretty soon.
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The delays make think there is something else in play other than the seatbelt chimes or constraints. Could be an okay from Federal government concerning some crash test or FE rating. (example only have no actual knowledge)

Even though Ford has met all the requirements dotted the I's crossed the T's, Uncle Sam still has give their approval.

Hi olderbudweiser. Trying to keep this a short and simple as possible...lol: There are many reasons for the perceived "delays", which are not a mystery.

For example...JOB1 production for the 2023 Corsair did not begin until mid-December of 2022. Then there was the Christmas/Holiday plant shutdowns. Then weather. Then a certain number of glitch/error proof days of production must be met before Lincoln/Ford gives the okay for customer factory orders to be scheduled.
In the meantime, those earlier vehicles are held back for quality checks, corrected and then sent to Dealers for stock.
Then there was the seat belt chime recall. Vehicles will be held at the plant to correct there, instead off sending them out for the Dealer to correct later, thus avoiding Dealer incurred warranty costs, etc. etc.
And those are just a few of the reasons.

In addition, what also needs to be kept in mind by those complaining or observing that "Other manufacturers have some of their 2023 models already available etc...", is the following: Every manufacturer introduces their new models and new model years at different times of the year. There is no standardized introduction date.
For example, Lincoln already has 2023 models out on the road for some of their other models. It all depends on the particular vehicle design cycle. The Corsair is a bit delayed due to its design cycle, in order to make time for the addition of features like SYNC 4, ActiveGlide etc.
If Lincoln chose instead to leave out those new design features, what the heck...Lincoln could have begun producing the 2023 Corsair last summer if it desired to. And instead, everyone would now be complaining that the 2023 does not have SYNC 4, ActiveGlide etc. 🙃🤣
Design improvements take time.

Then throw in the pandemic induced chip/parts/commodity shortages, which are real, no matter what anyone believes to be otherwise. Lincoln/Ford and every other manufacturer is not happy that there are parts shortages. They wish they could sell as many vehicles as possible with no delays. Delays cost them money.

Bottom line...When another manufacturer has particular 2023 models in-stock already, it is most often simply because they are on a different design schedule for that model at the moment. And it happens to be a model which a particular person is looking for, so they won't usually notice what 2023 models they don't have in stock.
Usually nothing more, nothing less than that.

I am not trying to talk anyone into buying a Lincoln, waiting for their order, etc... People can wait, not wait, but the correct information is important.

Good luck!
 
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Hi olderbudweiser. Trying to keep this a short and simple as possible...lol: There are many reasons for the perceived "delays", which are not a mystery.

For example...JOB1 production for the 2023 Corsair did not begin until mid-December of 2022. Then there was the Christmas/Holiday plant shutdowns. Then weather. Then a certain number of glitch/error proof days of production must be met before Lincoln/Ford gives the okay for customer factory orders to be scheduled.
In the meantime, those earlier vehicles are held back for quality checks, corrected and then sent to Dealers for stock.
Then there was the seat belt chime recall. Vehicles will be held at the plant to correct there, instead off sending them out for the Dealer to correct later, thus avoiding Dealer incurred warranty costs, etc. etc.
And those are just a few of the reasons.

In addition, what also needs to be kept in mind by those complaining or observing that "Other manufacturers have some of their 2023 models already available etc...", is the following: Every manufacturer introduces their new models and new model years at different times of the year. There is no standardized introduction date.
For example, Lincoln already has 2023 models out on the road for some of their other models. It all depends on the particular vehicle design cycle. The Corsair is a bit delayed due to its design cycle, in order to make time for the addition of features like SYNC 4, ActiveGlide etc.
If Lincoln chose instead to leave out those new design features, what the heck...Lincoln could have begun producing the 2023 Corsair last summer if it desired to. And instead, everyone would now be complaining that the 2023 does not have SYNC 4, ActiveGlide etc. 🙃🤣
Design improvements take time.

Then throw in the pandemic induced chip/parts/commodity shortages, which are real, no matter what anyone believes to be otherwise. Lincoln/Ford and every other manufacturer is not happy that there are parts shortages. They wish they could sell as many vehicles as possible with no delays. Delays cost them money.

Bottom line...When another manufacturer has particular 2023 models in-stock already, it is most often simply because they are on a different design schedule for that model at the moment. And it happens to be a model which a particular person is looking for, so they won't usually notice what 2023 models they don't have in stock.
Usually nothing more, nothing less than that.

I am not trying to talk anyone into buying a Lincoln, waiting for their order, etc... People can wait, not wait, but the correct information is important.

Good luck!

One of the posters mentioned doing literally a nationwide search and could not find one 2023 Corsair. (as I recall)
Example Ford built Hybrid 2022 Maverick Hybrids for over 2 months waiting for OK to ship. It was FE related. The early window stickers had no FE numbers. Eventually updated.
 
Hi olderbudweiser. Trying to keep this a short and simple as possible...lol: There are many reasons for the perceived "delays", which are not a mystery.

For example...JOB1 production for the 2023 Corsair did not begin until mid-December of 2022. Then there was the Christmas/Holiday plant shutdowns. Then weather. Then a certain number of glitch/error proof days of production must be met before Lincoln/Ford gives the okay for customer factory orders to be scheduled.
In the meantime, those earlier vehicles are held back for quality checks, corrected and then sent to Dealers for stock.
Then there was the seat belt chime recall. Vehicles will be held at the plant to correct there, instead off sending them out for the Dealer to correct later, thus avoiding Dealer incurred warranty costs, etc. etc.
And those are just a few of the reasons.

In addition, what also needs to be kept in mind by those complaining or observing that "Other manufacturers have some of their 2023 models already available etc...", is the following: Every manufacturer introduces their new models and new model years at different times of the year. There is no standardized introduction date.
For example, Lincoln already has 2023 models out on the road for some of their other models. It all depends on the particular vehicle design cycle. The Corsair is a bit delayed due to its design cycle, in order to make time for the addition of features like SYNC 4, ActiveGlide etc.
If Lincoln chose instead to leave out those new design features, what the heck...Lincoln could have begun producing the 2023 Corsair last summer if it desired to. And instead, everyone would now be complaining that the 2023 does not have SYNC 4, ActiveGlide etc. 🙃🤣
Design improvements take time.

Then throw in the pandemic induced chip/parts/commodity shortages, which are real, no matter what anyone believes to be otherwise. Lincoln/Ford and every other manufacturer is not happy that there are parts shortages. They wish they could sell as many vehicles as possible with no delays. Delays cost them money.

Bottom line...When another manufacturer has particular 2023 models in-stock already, it is most often simply because they are on a different design schedule for that model at the moment. And it happens to be a model which a particular person is looking for, so they won't usually notice what 2023 models they don't have in stock.
Usually nothing more, nothing less than that.

I am not trying to talk anyone into buying a Lincoln, waiting for their order, etc... People can wait, not wait, but the correct information is important.

Good luck!
I appreciate you taking the time to provide us all more information than Lincoln has provided. If they took the time to do that and provided some transparency, then maybe you wouldn't have to listen to us all complain. That being said, thanks for your insight.
 
The dealer in Staten Island (I hate them Dana Lincoln) has this 2023 in transit to them. They could even have it on the lot now. They are a huge dealer and you can get a good deal but their service leaves nothing to be desired. They have 135 corsairs on the lot. Obviously mainly 2022. They have 2023 aviators on the way and 2023 navigators (100k jeez)
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One of the posters mentioned doing literally a nationwide search and could not find one 2023 Corsair. (as I recall)
That was me. Go to autotempest.com and type in 2023 Corsair. Literally not one return nationwide.

What I don't understand is why Lincoln lags so far behind other manufacturers when it comes to producing a car for the next model year. For example, I took delivery of my '23 Corvette in August 2022 (and I think the 23s actually went into production in May or June). For whatever reason Lincoln starts production on a 2023 model in mid-December of 2022 and for at least the 1st month of the year they're not even available. Very poor way of doing things IMHO.
 
If you go to cars.com, you will find 50 2023's listed - all standard or reserve. However, the best I can tell none are actually at the dealers. I have been waiting for them to show real photos, taken by the dealer. None yet. The same 50 were there a week ago.
 
That was me. Go to autotempest.com and type in 2023 Corsair. Literally not one return nationwide.

What I don't understand is why Lincoln lags so far behind other manufacturers when it comes to producing a car for the next model year. For example, I took delivery of my '23 Corvette in August 2022 (and I think the 23s actually went into production in May or June). For whatever reason Lincoln starts production on a 2023 model in mid-December of 2022 and for at least the 1st month of the year they're not even available. Very poor way of doing things IMHO.

Hi BMM. I tried to comprehensively cover why that is in my previous reply. Perhaps I did not do as well as I hoped...lol

This situation occurs with models from many automakers, not only Lincoln or Ford. Very simply, it depends on the design cycle of the particular vehicle.

The only reason members here are noticing it about the Corsair is because this is happening with the particular vehicle they are interested, the Corsair. If you wanted a 2023 Aviator, there are plenty available, because the 2023 model year production began earlier in 2022, due solely to the fact that is how the Aviator design cycle fell into the calendar years.

And as previously stated, if buyers interested in a 2023 Corsair wanted it introduced earlier last year, then new features like SYNC 4 and Active Glide would not have been introduced in the 2023 model, because there would not have been enough design and engineering time to introduce those features in the 2023 model.
So instead of threads, posts and complaints about "Why do I have to wait so long for my 2023 Corsair?", we would have threads, posts and complaints about "The 2023 Corsair is not changed from the 2022! I wanted SYNC 4 and ActiveGlide and XXX...Why didn't they offer SYNC 4 and ActiveGlide and XXX...etc. in my 2023 Corsair?"
🙃🤣

Then throw in the pandemic induced parts/commodity shortages, as also mentioned earlier.
And in addition to the parts and commodity shortages, vehicle design begins a minimum of 2 years and sometimes 3 years before it is introduced. Even now, designers and engineers are working on the next Corsair, after the 2023. And the systems/procedures take time and can not be rushed.

This is not something new. Buyers of particular models from other automakers are making the same complaints about the exact same things concerning whichever model they may want, which is on a similar late design cycle. Just because we don't know about it (because it is not a vehicle we are interested in) does not mean it is not happening.
And we can't compare the design cycle/calendar of one vehicle (i.e. the Corvette or any other vehicle) to the design cycle/calendar of another vehicle (i.e. the Corsair or any other vehicle). It is comparing apples to oranges, not because it is a Corvette, but simply because it is two different vehicles on two different design cycles. Believe it or not, manufacturing a Corvette is no more difficult than manufacturing a Corsair. They simply are two different vehicles appealing to two different types of buyer segments.

Hope that may explain it a bit better.

Hope everyone can get their new vehicles soon and good luck. 🍻
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Believe it or not, manufacturing a Corvette is no more difficult than manufacturing a Corsair. They simply are two different vehicles appealing to two different types of buyer segments.
I don't want to get into a big back and forth with you, but manufacturing a mid-engine sports car with a dual clutch transmission is definitely more difficult than manufacturing an SUV that's based on an existing platform. Sorry, but there is absolutely no comparison between the two.
 
I don't want to get into a big back and forth with you, but manufacturing a mid-engine sports car with a dual clutch transmission is definitely more difficult than manufacturing an SUV that's based on an existing platform. Sorry, but there is absolutely no comparison between the two.

Hi BMM. Not trying to be a wise guy, but sorry...that is incorrect. Manufacturing is simply an assembly line worker or machine placing a part or assembly into a vehicle moving down an assembly line. Installing a transmission or engine is installing a transmission or engine. The parts, pieces and bolts are tightened the same way etc.
The machine knows no difference between a mid engine or front engine vehicle, or a traditional automatic transmission versus a dual clutch tranmission. It is not more difficult to manufacture

So to make it clear, you are actually now discussing designing/engineering...versus manufacturing. They are very different situations.
Chevy has been designing/engineering the C8 Corvette for nearly a decade, so comparing it to the Corsair mid-cycle redesign for 2023 is even worse than apples to oranges.

And as a related aside...It is sometimes *easier* to retool an assembly line for a clean sheet model than it is to change an existing line for an existing model to add new technology to that existing model. But in truth, like comparing it to the Corvette (or any two different vehicles to each other) that is also an irrelevant factoid when discussing the perceived "delays" to the 2023 Corsair.

The designing, engineering and manufacturing cycle of the Corvette has absolutely nothing to do with any other vehicle, Corsair or any other.
And as previously mentioned, the design and manufacturing cycles of any one vehicle has nothing to do with any other vehicle. Corsair/Camry. Accord/Nautilus. Navigator/Corolla, Jeep Grand Cherokee/Civic etc. etc. etc. No matter what two vehicles are being discussed, design cycles and when they are introduced in any particular calendar year can not be compared.

You and everyone else here has every right to be impatient about the wait for your Corsairs. Or to give up and buy something else. However, the information I provided about design cycles and how they are not comparable for different vehicles is correct.
Ignoring all the facts presented and instead trying mix in the Corvette is a totally irrelevant comparison to the Corsair design schedule and/or any other vehicle. At least to those familiar with the subject.

I am trying to help others understand the delays to one particular vehicle. The Lincoln Corsair. Makes no difference to me if someone waits and buys or not. So let's please stick to the facts as they exist with the Corsair.

Good luck.
 
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Idk. Everyone’s making such a big deal about active glide and sync 4. I get it. When a new iPhone comes out I want the newer one. But honestly. If there was a great deal on a loaded up 2022 I’d sacrifice the sync 4 and active glide. Sync 3…..we know it and understand it. Been around for years and runs the car the way it should minus a couple of glitches. Who knows what problems will come with sync 4 ? Active glide….I’d never trust it. Just me and my own thoughts.
 
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