Are you kidding me???

[syl]

It really hurts me to post this ... in more ways than one ...

It really doesn't compare to the crash in November suffered by JB IN AZ, but it's the worst that I've been in ...

What the photos don't show, unfortunately, is that what we're looking at is the tail end of three lanes of traffic slowed to a crawl and stopping. By the time I took the photos, though, I think it had been moving again. I'm led to believe that there was a snow-clearing operation ongoing some distance in front of us. The nearest car behind us at the time we reached this spot, was a fair distance away. The next thing I knew, I heard a very brief skid, and then impact. The driver of that vehicle got out with minor scrapes, I'm told.


It may not be obvious, but that car is perpendicular to the traffic flow, having hit at what must have been close to highway speed. The driver told me he "didn't see" my car. There are three lanes of traffic *stopped* (picture all the brake lights you're looking at when you approach such a situation), and you *didn't* see the big bright red car with flashing hazard lights??? The police officer did tell me that there was some question of whether the fellow had fallen asleep at the wheel ... and that they'll investigate his cell phone activity around the time of the crash ...

The Corsair was taken away on a flatbed style row-truck, and my spouse and I in an ambulance. Minor injuries only, though, and we were home some hours later. I do have a concussion and whiplash, and my spouse has nothing more than an existing injury being aggravated.

On the plus side, the Corsair had disabled the fuel system, and though I tried to restart the car (that's how I know it was disabled), I didn't have all my marbles sufficiently in order to (even see, let alone) follow the onscreen instructions for restarting the car. I would have tried moving it off to the side, but in hindsight, I think it was best left where it was. And the Corsair contacted emergency services immediately. I honestly didn't think I would ever need that function.

It's up to the insurance company now. We've let them know that if this can at all be repaired, that's what we'd prefer, because we do love this car. I don't think an adjuster has actually seen it yet, and I do think that there's more damage than is immediately visible (for example, my seat back was reclined quite a bit further *after* the crash than my normal driving position; will an insurance adjuster even think to have that checked and repaired?)

I'm off now to take more pain meds and get some sleep.

 

[NJRonbo]

As Corsair owners, the pictures are particularly painful for all of us, I am certain, to look at.

You can be the best driver in the world and you have to worry about others out there who aren't, or in this case, might have fallen asleep at the wheel.

I am happy to read you and your spouse are okay. That is the most important thing.

Please keep us updated on the insurance and repair progress.

 

[jkeaton]

Ouch! Glad you both are ok.

 

[JB IN AZ]

It really hurts me to post this ... in more ways than one ...

It really doesn't compare to the crash in November suffered by JB IN AZ, but it's the worst that I've been in ...View attachment 12677View attachment 12678

What the photos don't show, unfortunately, is that what we're looking at is the tail end of three lanes of traffic slowed to a crawl and stopping. By the time I took the photos, though, I think it had been moving again. I'm led to believe that there was a snow-clearing operation ongoing some distance in front of us. The nearest car behind us at the time we reached this spot, was a fair distance away. The next thing I knew, I heard a very brief skid, and then impact. The driver of that vehicle got out with minor scrapes, I'm told.
View attachment 12679

It may not be obvious, but that car is perpendicular to the traffic flow, having hit at what must have been close to highway speed. The driver told me he "didn't see" my car. There are three lanes of traffic *stopped* (picture all the brake lights you're looking at when you approach such a situation), and you *didn't* see the big bright red car with flashing hazard lights??? The police officer did tell me that there was some question of whether the fellow had fallen asleep at the wheel ... and that they'll investigate his cell phone activity around the time of the crash ...

The Corsair was taken away on a flatbed style row-truck, and my spouse and I in an ambulance. Minor injuries only, though, and we were home some hours later. I do have a concussion and whiplash, and my spouse has nothing more than an existing injury being aggravated.

On the plus side, the Corsair had disabled the fuel system, and though I tried to restart the car (that's how I know it was disabled), I didn't have all my marbles sufficiently in order to (even see, let alone) follow the onscreen instructions for restarting the car. I would have tried moving it off to the side, but in hindsight, I think it was best left where it was. And the Corsair contacted emergency services immediately. I honestly didn't think I would ever need that function.

It's up to the insurance company now. We've let them know that if this can at all be repaired, that's what we'd prefer, because we do love this car. I don't think an adjuster has actually seen it yet, and I do think that there's more damage than is immediately visible (for example, my seat back was reclined quite a bit further *after* the crash than my normal driving position; will an insurance adjuster even think to have that checked and repaired?)

I'm off now to take more pain meds and get some sleep.

OMG! Glad that you and spouse are not seriously injured. As I know, cars can be replaced. Sadly, based on the pictures you posted, I'm guessing that yours will be totaled and have to be replaced.

Is the other car you posted a picture of, the one that hit you? What is it? I am usually very good at car identification, but my best guess is a minivan?

When did this occur?

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[RedHoncho]

Wow! At least your Corsair kept you and your spouse safe without significant injuries. That is a severe crash.

Take care of yourself and ask for physical therapy. You may think you can tough it out but at high speed impacts like that the shoulder belt can cause some tendon/ligament tears that take time to heal. This is based upon my personal experience in a similar accident several years ago. The physical therapy helped a great deal and part of it was actually pleasant. I got a warm body wrap across my entire back for 15 minutes followed by a back massage every session. Combine that with a few exercises and I got back complete range of motion.

Best of luck to you!

 

[silverydragon72]

Sorry to hear about that but glad you are both ok. Hoping for a quick recovery and keep us informed on how things go. Looks like you got hit by a very compressed Prius?

 

[kingdre]

Wow! So sorry to hear. If I were you, I'd prepare for a total loss. Be sure you get MSRP for your ride, which means the loan will be paid off, AND you should have some money left. I'd check into ordering a new one. It normally takes about 30 days to finish an insurance claim, unless the other party fights.

Another option is to look for USED Corsairs the way you like it. Then, you can potentially get the same vehicle, but $10k less. Please keep us updated.

 

[Action]

Hoping for a swift recovery for you and your spouse.
Pretty sure the driver "didn't see" your car because he/she was distracted. Distracted driving occurs all too often. Most of the time with no impact, fortunately.

As to the Corsair, it did it's job fully. Kept you from even greater injury. It may be repaired or replaced. In either situation, much time will pass before you are in a more permanent driver. Let us know the decision.

Action

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[JB IN AZ]

Wow! So sorry to hear. If I were you, I'd prepare for a total loss. Be sure you get MSRP for your ride, which means the loan will be paid off, AND you should have some money left. I'd check into ordering a new one. It normally takes about 30 days to finish an insurance claim, unless the other party fights.

Another option is to look for USED Corsairs the way you like it. Then, you can potentially get the same vehicle, but $10k less. Please keep us updated.

I agree. Expect a total loss, and push for it if the insurance doesn't total it. There is ALWAYS hidden damage. I had a similar rear ender (probably at a lower speed, ~45 mph) in my '19 RDX that led me to buy the (now totaled) '21 Corsair. There was over $12,000 in damage...Sadly, yours looks worse to my eye. You don't want a car that has been repaired from such an impact. As hard it is to find and buy cars now, in the long run, you will be better off with a new car.

 

[syl]

First, thanks all for your thoughts and input. Believe it or not, I think this will help me get through the psychological impact. I'll try to reply to all of the messages that I believe need a reply. If I missed yours, please forgive me and remind me ...

So far, we're still under the impression that the insurance company has not yet seen the car. In fact, my spouse contacted the repair shop (the insurance company did let us know where they would have it repaired) and they told her that they have not yet received the submission from the insurance company.

I do have some inclination that the insurance company might consider it a total loss, but I'm not sure. The police officer (perhaps it was a fireman or paramedic; I have to admit that I was visited by a few people on the scene, and I may not remember exactly what conversations took place with who among them) mentioned to me that they might choose to repair it, given that no air bags deployed (and mentioning that air bags are a significant part of post-crash repair costs). We expressed our collective preference to the insurance company, but beyond that I'm not expecting that we'll have much say in the matter.

The other car is a small Toyota something or other (Corolla hatch, maybe?) I got his license plate number, but didn't think to check details. In particular, I wish I'd thought to check his tires, as in Quebec there is a law that mandates the use of snow tires in the winter, and that they must have adequate tread depth. But frankly, who, coming out of a car crash thinks to check that?

JB, it was Sunday evening. Speaking of crashes, though, how are you and your wife doing, recovery wise? How long did you spend being nervous to drive? I don't mean to act against your advice (which I do appreciate), but we did already stress to the insurance company that we'd prefer it be repaired. My initial thought, though, when I saw the damage on the scene, is that there's a good chance they'll total-loss it, regardless. That makes us both very sad, of course.

RedHoncho, I do have a prescription for physical therapy. I still need to figure out how to proceed from that, but it *will* happen. Thank you.

Rosco Coltrane would have called this a "horrendous crash"! ;-)

SilveryDragon, I suppose it could have been a Prius, at one time. We're kind of astonished that the driver was not injured beyond minor scrapes. Luckily he had no passenger.

Kingdre, I'm fairly certain that if they do total-loss it, we'll get full replacement cost back, but for what it's worth, there is no loan. We own the car. Well, currently we own what's left of the car ...

Action, I agree that distraction is likely in a case like this. I had plenty of time to casually slow to a stop behind the traffic that had built up. It doesn't make sense that a short time afterwards another driver did not *see* what was going on and collided at high speed.

My plan, for what it's worth, is if they *do* repair the car, once I have it back, to make an appointment with the Lincoln dealership, and have them have their technicians give it a thorough going over, even if that ends up costing me out of pocket. If there are further repairs at that point, I fully expect that I'll be able to take that up with the insurance company. If the Lincoln dealership calls it good to go, and I have to pay for their time to give it that stamp of approval, I'll be ok with that.

Take care, all, and thanks again for the well wishes and comments.

 

[silverydragon72]

Good luck with everything and have a speedy recovery. Personally when I got hit years back which was far less serious than what happened to you it took me a couple weeks of driving or so to not be cringing every time I was at a stop with someone coming up behind me.

 

[syl]

Good luck with everything and have a speedy recovery. Personally when I got hit years back which was far less serious than what happened to you it took me a couple weeks of driving or so to not be cringing every time I was at a stop with someone coming up behind me.

Thanks. That's kind of what I'm expecting. So far, other than transport to the hospital, then taxi home and another taxi to the car rental place (we have a very basic VW Tiguan; I had higher expectations for that model, but I suppose we got the very base model), I've driven only to the drug store then home. I'm going to need to get back on that highway again, sooner than later, and it's quite an uncomfortable feeling. :-(

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[JB IN AZ]

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JB, it was Sunday evening. Speaking of crashes, though, how are you and your wife doing, recovery wise? How long did you spend being nervous to drive? I don't mean to act against your advice (which I do appreciate), but we did already stress to the insurance company that we'd prefer it be repaired. My initial thought, though, when I saw the damage on the scene, is that there's a good chance they'll total-loss it, regardless. That makes us both very sad, of course.

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Take care, all, and thanks again for the well wishes and comments.

syl, in a few days it will be 3 months since our Corsair crash. Our RDX was rear ended in April 2021. Two major crashes in 7 months! YIKES I am 6 weeks into 9 weeks of physical therapy, which has helped my regain a lot of range of motion, but I will never have full use of my right shoulder. Nor will it likely ever be pain free. Doctors rate shoulder breaks in categories, mine is a 4, 4 being the worst. No surgery is possible. EDIT Correction, surgery is possible, but the risk is not worth the slight possible improvement in range of motion.


My wife had much worse injuries, she was in ICU for 5 days, then spent 10 days in a rehab facility.. (I was released from the trauma dept. 12 hours after being brought there by the ambulance) At 7 weeks after the crash, it was decided that she needed surgery to fix her collar bone and the bones in her wrist, that were not healing properly. It has now been about 7 weeks sine the surgery, and now, while the bones are healing properly, she has an inflammation (or infection?) at the incision site on her wrist that they are trying to deal with.

Regarding driving, I wasn't able to drive for a month, but I wanted to very badly. I didn't have any nervousness. My wife, while she is now driving, now has an underlying nervousness whenever she is in a car. It is getting better.

Regarding totaling the car. While it is sad to think it might be totaled, personally, I do not want a car that has been repaired from such extreme damage. In my opinion, regardless of how good the body shop is, it will never be the same. Although, I DO hope for you, that your car is repairable.

You and your spouse WILL get through this. It takes time, but things like this seem to make us stronger.

 

[syl]

Much appreciated, JB, and best wishes for your and your wife's continued recovery.

 

[Big Old Boy]

I had a car pull out front of me At an intersection Sunday buy the grace of God she stopped and I missed her by inches. Hopefully you guys recover and the car gets totaled, think about the value after a rear ended collision it may work for you but the resale value won’t be good at all.

 

[syl]

Your point makes a lot of sense of course, but when I buy a car it's for the long term, so resale value is a very minor component of the decision. To your point, I can't *ignore* it entirely, of course, but the overall longevity of the car is more important to us.

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[Action]

I it were me and when the car was repaired, I got a salvaged title or a "rebuilt" title, I would not be pleased. Especially if I bought the vehicle as the first retail owner. And I keep my cars for the long haul too. Usually decades. But I do not have any vehicles with titles that indicate anything other than just used.

Action

 

[JB IN AZ]

I it were me and when the car was repaired, I got a salvaged title or a "rebuilt" title, I would not be pleased. Especially if I bought the vehicle as the first retail owner. And I keep my cars for the long haul too. Usually decades. But I do not have any vehicles with titles that indicate anything other than just used.

Action

Generally speaking, at least in the US, if they repair the car, it's not getting a salvage title. Only cars that are totaled get a salvage title.

 

[kingdre]

I had a car pull out front of me At an intersection Sunday buy the grace of God she stopped and I missed her by inches. Hopefully you guys recover and the car gets totaled, think about the value after a rear ended collision it may work for you but the resale value won’t be good at all.

You make a great point. ANY time you have an accident and its not totaled, the insurance company owes you money. Its often called "diminished value".

 

[RMac]

It really hurts me to post this ... in more ways than one ...

It really doesn't compare to the crash in November suffered by JB IN AZ, but it's the worst that I've been in ...View attachment 12677View attachment 12678

What the photos don't show, unfortunately, is that what we're looking at is the tail end of three lanes of traffic slowed to a crawl and stopping. By the time I took the photos, though, I think it had been moving again. I'm led to believe that there was a snow-clearing operation ongoing some distance in front of us. The nearest car behind us at the time we reached this spot, was a fair distance away. The next thing I knew, I heard a very brief skid, and then impact. The driver of that vehicle got out with minor scrapes, I'm told.
View attachment 12679

It may not be obvious, but that car is perpendicular to the traffic flow, having hit at what must have been close to highway speed. The driver told me he "didn't see" my car. There are three lanes of traffic *stopped* (picture all the brake lights you're looking at when you approach such a situation), and you *didn't* see the big bright red car with flashing hazard lights??? The police officer did tell me that there was some question of whether the fellow had fallen asleep at the wheel ... and that they'll investigate his cell phone activity around the time of the crash ...

The Corsair was taken away on a flatbed style row-truck, and my spouse and I in an ambulance. Minor injuries only, though, and we were home some hours later. I do have a concussion and whiplash, and my spouse has nothing more than an existing injury being aggravated.

On the plus side, the Corsair had disabled the fuel system, and though I tried to restart the car (that's how I know it was disabled), I didn't have all my marbles sufficiently in order to (even see, let alone) follow the onscreen instructions for restarting the car. I would have tried moving it off to the side, but in hindsight, I think it was best left where it was. And the Corsair contacted emergency services immediately. I honestly didn't think I would ever need that function.

It's up to the insurance company now. We've let them know that if this can at all be repaired, that's what we'd prefer, because we do love this car. I don't think an adjuster has actually seen it yet, and I do think that there's more damage than is immediately visible (for example, my seat back was reclined quite a bit further *after* the crash than my normal driving position; will an insurance adjuster even think to have that checked and repaired?)

I'm off now to take more pain meds and get some sleep.

Thank God y'all were some what okay. Can you tell us if the safety features that are in the Corsair helped with keeping you from experiencing worse injuries? I will pray for y'all as you heal and recover from this horrible accident.