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Winter wheels and tires

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A bit early for winter next year, but perhaps current owners have a winter package already. I am very interested in learning the wheel size that works. The 18" wheel size is much cheaper than the 19" size through my dealer but the brakes on my ordered Continental are spec'd at 18" rotors on front and 17" rotors on back so I cannot see how 18" wheels will fit. The US Premiere version has 18" wheels, but I cannot find their brake rotor size.

Any help is appreciated.
 

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Check Tire Rack for suggestions
Thanks for the suggestion.

Tire Rack offers 18, 19, 20, 21 inch options for the 2017 Continental with 2.7 AWD. I think there is an assumption that a -1 rim should fit because most cars have much smaller rotors than Lincoln are specking for the Canadian Continental (US Premiere has 18" rims but what size rotors). How can an 18" rim fit over the caliper on an 18" rotor? Perhaps the Canadian spec is wrong, but US site does not give rotor size. I think the MKS has 14" or 15" rotors so 18" for a similar sized car is huge.
 

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I contacted Lincoln Canada Concierge service and the 18" front rotors and 17" rear rotors are confirmed. Since the Continental Premiere is not sold in Canada they would not comment on the 18" rims on that model.
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Advance Auto Parts' US website lists the 2017 Lincoln Continental Reserve 2.7 AWD brake rotor diameter as 345mm (13.6") for the front and 316mm (12.4") for the rear. That sounds a lot more reasonable. The 18" rims will therefore fit and allow a slightly taller and narrower 235/50R18 wheel package which is better for winter. The overall diameter is 27.4" compared to stock 245/45R19 and the 245/40R20 at 27.7".

As a matter of interest the above site lists the 2016 Lincoln MKS with larger brake rotors, 352mm (13.8") front and 344.9mm (13.6") rear.
 

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My dealer has 2 new Continentals in stock today (Sunday). One outside, a Reserve with 19" wheels and one inside the locked showroom with 20" wheels. The tires are 255/45R19 Michelin Primacy MXM4 which are very wide with a tall sidewall. The sidewall is 4.5" and the diameter is 28.1". So a winter tire may be the 235/50R19 which has a sidewall of 4.6" and a diameter of 28.3". The window sticker did not have any information on tire size, so it does not seem to be an optional size. The Fast winter 19" wheel direct fit for the Continental is CAD$210 and the Toyo Observe GSI-5 winter tire (235/50R19) is also CAD$210.

I will go see my dealer tomorrow to get more info on that 19" tire and see what tire size is on the latest 20" wheel. The last Continental at my dealer had the 20" wheels and 245/40R20 tires, and at 27.7" tall are not nearly as impressive as the new 19" tires.
 

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I confirmed the 20" tire size is 245/40R20 with my dealer and the Michelin Canada website for the Michelin Primacy MXM4.

I talked to the parts guy at my dealer, Josh, about the Lincoln Winter tire and wheel package. The anticipated 2017-18 winter package for the Continental, based upon last years offering will use 18" painted wheels as a direct fit and likely cost $300 to $400 each. Josh checked on a direct fit Fast wheel (the Switch) with part number F212-1980-31TN-40C633 for $221.92 plus taxes. It is a size 19x8 with 5x108 bolt pattern, offset of 55mm (compared to 52.5mm stock), 63.4mm hub bore which is stock, and the colour is Titanium which I like. The winter tire I like is the Toyo Observe GSI-5, and for the Continental comes in size 235/50R19 at $287.89. The tire pressure sensors would be free so the package price is CAD$2,304.34 including taxes.

Availability of the Lincoln winter wheel/tire promotion is about October.
 

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It is now the fall of 2017 and I will need winter tires within a month. Talked to my dealer Oct 4 about the Lincoln winter tire package for my Continental. The recommendation is 18 inch alloy wheels and 235/50R18 winter tires. The wheels are regularly $340 on sale for $260 and sensors are regularly $99 on sale for $64. All prices are Canadian dollars. My preferred tires are $280 each to fit that wheel, plus mounting and balancing and installation for $99.

The 18 inch tires have a diameter of 27.4 inches compared to my stock 255/45R19 at 28.1 inches. Smaller wheels/tires is not what I wanted so I went with Fast Wheels Switch model at 19x8 with 40mm offset and 108mm stud spacing and 63.4mm hub diameter for $216 to fit Toyo Observe GSI-5 235/50R19 winter tires at $284. I thought the tire sensors would be free but $64 per wheel extra. The Toyo tires are 28.3 inches in diameter so will be almost identical speedometer readings to stock. Ordering and fitting tires to rims and balancing were completed by noon on 6 Oct. A test fitting today shows everything is correct. Price with taxes was $2905 but that included Lincoln winter mats at $171.

The Lincoln 18 inch wheel package would also suit the 245/40R20 wheels/tires which have a diameter of 27.7 inches.

Now to make a service appointment for oil change and tire install at end of the month.
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Towncar:

So you have your new tires rims and sensors for your lincoln.
My new 2018 3.0 comes with 20" wheels. So I will be looking at kind of package. I want quiet tires. Any suggestions.
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Towncar:

So you have your new tires rims and sensors for your lincoln.
My new 2018 3.0 comes with 20" wheels. So I will be looking at kind of package. I want quiet tires. Any suggestions.
I don't know which are the quietest winter tires. The Toyo observe GSI-5 is not a noisy tire, hardly any difference with my all season Goodyear Comfortread Touring tires at any speed on my 2007 Town Car. My son has had a couple of sets on his Dodge Vans (different wheel diameter on newer models) and does not find them noisy. My winter wheels and tires will be mounted on my car next Tuesday so I should be able to update you on the noise level compared to the Michelin Primacy MXM4 that are on now.

What diameter wheels are you considering?

Good luck.
 

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My 2018 reserve is a 3.0 AWD with 245/40/20 wheels so I do not know what to ask for. I like quiet and smooth..
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The Lincoln recommendation for wheel and tire size for our cars in winter is 235/50R18, which gives a diameter of 27.4". Your size 245/40R20 is slightly larger at 27.7" while my 255/45R19 is 28.1". I like the taller wheel/tire sizes so I went with 235/50R19 which gives 28.3" in diameter which is the closest to my stock size and the speedometer and mileage computer module will be virtually unaffected. That size should be OK for your smaller wheel package too.

The 18" Lincoln winter wheel is now $260 on sale from $345. The Fast wheels Switch model is available in direct fit for our cars and costs $216 from my Lincoln dealer. I have purchased Fast wheels before (3 sets now) and I like the direct fit (of the last 2) and how they stand up to winter. Attached are some pics showing the wheel, and the wheel mounted on my car which is jacked up, and my winter tires. I will take some more when all 4 mounted on my car.

As for tires, the Automobile Protection Association (APA) tests tires and their recommendations for winter tires for 2017/18 are here: http://www.apa.ca/wintertire_reviews.asp and the Michelin Xice Xi3 may fit your requirements for smooth and quiet in a winter tire. I have used the earlier model Michelin Xice on a Mercury Grand Marquis (RWD) and they are certainly quiet and soft riding but not up to Toyo standard for all around winter performance. Since you have AWD the Michelins may be all you need.

Good luck.
 

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Harry,

Here are some pics of stock wheels and winter wheels. First pic is stock and second is with winters fitted. The winters do not stick out beyond the fenders, about the same as stock due to narrower tires. I have not driven on the winters much yet, about 4 kilometers on very good highway at 62 mph and they are quiet. A few kilometers on fairly well paved roads with some unevenness and they are comfortable. We will see what winter brings.

Take care,
Art
 

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Just a funny sidebar, our winter last year was very mild and I never got to try the AWD. According to the Farmers Almanac for this region we are going to have another mild winter with only 2 -3 minor snowfalls.
Guess I won’t need any other tires but my all season.
 
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Just a funny sidebar, our winter last year was very mild and I never got to try the AWD. According to the Farmers Almanac for this region we are going to have another mild winter with only 2 -3 minor snowfalls.
Guess I won’t need any other tires but my all season.
That’s only if the weather forecasts are correct! Sometimes the forecast for tomorrow is not correct so how can they predict for almost a year in advance?
 
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