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    Quote Originally Posted by Pasadena Lady View Post
    Maybe my brother was right. How safe is my car? I don't know what can really happen with the Takata airbag before , during or after an accident. Apparently Ford/Lincoln must be ok with letting owners drive until a fix is available. Really?
    The cars that are affected by the recall as dealer stock cannot be driven on the road, they are stuck at the dealership. That is why very few Continentals are on the road. Looking at the VIN of cars made in Nov and Dec 2016 and subject to the recall there is a 17,000 difference in the production sequence number (VIN digits 12 thru 17) and my car scheduled for 1 June production. So with only 3,200 or so reported as sold so far there must be a lot of Continentals parked somewhere waiting for the driver air bag module.

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    I agree that Lincoln was trying to do that to some degree, I feel they would have been real successful if they would have included the suicide doors. Talk about having the look! I also agree that most concept cars look exactly like the production vehicles, Lincoln is especially bad in that regards. I can name the Lincoln Contempra back in the early 1990's beautiful car, but the production version was bad, the 2006 Lincoln Zephyr Concept I thought was also nice looking, the production version looked nothing like it, the Lincoln Aviator Concept looked pretty close to what was to become the Lincoln MKX, I thought the MKT Concept was nice as well and well look how that turned out, and most recently the Lincoln MKC Concept was beautiful, but again the Concept was wider and a bit longer than the production version, and of course the Continental. They should design the Concept on the actual platforms they plan to produce them as that extra width and length make a huge difference. I am not a Lincoln hater if I sound like one but I get frustrated on how the designers WOW us with these concepts and then they don't deliver. That is a big disappoint to me and I believe to alot of potential customers Lincoln loses by changing the production versions.

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    The car sales for April have slowed among the Detroit 3 as well as for several others such as Toyota and Nissan. In addition to the airbag problem facing Lincoln this lack of car sales isn't helping improve the picture. If you go into a showroom shoppers are looking at the SUVs more so than sedans. Maybe the Chinese market is enjoying cars and haven't got into the SUV world but the American market is not looking at cars. I've already heard friends talking about the Lincoln Navigator. Another SUV?

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    To put the 2017 Lincoln Continental excellent sales into context with some large "luxury" car competitors sales starting Sept 2016 through April 2017 the criteria is a large and relatively expensive car; so Mercedes E class, BMW 5 Series do not count since they are not large cars. The Mercedes S class, BMW 7 Series and Audi A8 and S8 are classed as large cars. The automotive pundits with their reviews seem to confirm the Continental's place with the following cars:

    #1 Mercedes S class sales from Sept 2016 are 6,829 and for 2017 are 5,139 for a total of 11,968;

    #2 2017 Lincoln Continental sales for 2016 are 5,261 and for 2017 are 4,212 for a total of 9,473;

    #3 2017 Cadillac CT6 (sales started in March 2016 not counted thru Aug) sales for 2016 are 5,121 and for 2017 are 3,382 for a total of 8,503;

    #4 BMW 7 Series sales from Sept 2016 are 4,880 and for 2017 are 3,097 for a total of 7,977;

    #5 2017 Volvo S90 (sales started in June 2016 not counted thru Aug) sales for 2016 are 2,295 and for 2017 are 1,525 for a total of 3,820;

    #6 Audi A8/S8 sales from 2016 are 1,533 and for 2017 are 1,084 for a total of 2,617;

    #7 2017 Hyundai Genesis G90 for 2016 are 782 and for 2017 are 1,519 for a total of 2,301.

    So the 2017 Lincoln Continental is selling very well, #2 behind the S class according to this site http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales...ntinental-new/ where I got the info from.

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    The sales for May are:

    #1 Mercedes S class sales for May 2017 are 1,275;

    #2 2017 Lincoln Continental sales for May 2017 are 1,061;

    #3 2017 Cadillac CT6 sales for May 2017 are 1,001;

    #4 BMW 7 Series sales for May 2017 are 524;

    #5 2017 Volvo S90 sales for May 2017 are 473;

    #6 Audi A8/S8 sales for May 2017 are 216;

    #7 2017 Genesis G90 sales for May 2017 are 397

    So the Lincoln Continental continues to climb in sales compared to its competitors, excepting Mercedes S class. Seems Continental sales are doing well in the large luxury category.

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    Wow, this is really great! Thank you, Town. But one correction - the Genesis G90 (Continental competitor) sold 397 in May of 2017. The "Hyundai Genesis" doesn't really "sell" anymore. It's a left over model. There's a G80 and G90 right now. The G80 replaced the "Hyundai Genesis". The G90 replaced the "Hyundai Equus". Would you mind if I updated your post?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano View Post
    Wow, this is really great! Thank you, Town. But one correction - the Genesis G90 (Continental competitor) sold 397 in May of 2017. The "Hyundai Genesis" doesn't really "sell" anymore. It's a left over model. There's a G80 and G90 right now. The G80 replaced the "Hyundai Genesis". The G90 replaced the "Hyundai Equus". Would you mind if I updated your post?
    Yes, please do. Sorry for my mistake.

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    Just returned from a visit to my Lincoln dealer. Asked the sales manager if he heard from his Lincoln rep recently. He was expecting him later. I asked how the sales of the Conti were going. He said the sales were very slow. He said there is not as much interest as was expected. I said there were ads in magazines but very little on TV. Another person at the dealership said the sales were being encouraged with deals and incentives to boost sales. Everyone there was waiting for the Navigatir and hope that the TV ads will also boost the Conti. The SUV sales were much more than sedans. That is what they believe is hurting the Continental. In general sales are up almost 5% for May for Lincoln.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Town View Post
    Yes, please do. Sorry for my mistake.
    Oh, no problem at all. I also dropped the S-Class down to 1,275 - making things even better for the Continental. Now, of course, the Continental is a much less expensive car. But I still feel this demonstrates that Lincoln is making an impact on the industry. It's not going to be forever that the Continental is sold as such a discount. Especially considering the next generation will likely be rear wheel drive based...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pasadena Lady View Post
    Just returned from a visit to my Lincoln dealer. Asked the sales manager if he heard from his Lincoln rep recently. He was expecting him later. I asked how the sales of the Conti were going. He said the sales were very slow. He said there is not as much interest as was expected. I said there were ads in magazines but very little on TV. Another person at the dealership said the sales were being encouraged with deals and incentives to boost sales. Everyone there was waiting for the Navigatir and hope that the TV ads will also boost the Conti. The SUV sales were much more than sedans. That is what they believe is hurting the Continental. In general sales are up almost 5% for May for Lincoln.
    I think management probably got sales people's hopes up too high. The Continental sold 1061 times in May. How do you think the sales people feel everywhere else - with the exception of Mercedes and Cadillac?

    #1 Mercedes S-Class sales for May 2017 are 1,275
    #2 Lincoln Continental sales for May 2017 are 1,061
    #3 Cadillac CT6 sales for May 2017 are 1,001

    #4 BMW 7 Series sales for May 2017 are 524
    #5 Volvo S90 sales for May 2017 are 473
    #6 Genesis G90 sales for May 2017 are 397
    #7 Lexus LS sales for May 2017 are 317
    #8 Audi A8/S8 sales for May 2017 are 216

    After 1, 2, and 3 - that's a huge DUMP... Audi 216. Lexus? 317?! Jeez... The fact is, full size premium cars aren't selling like they used to. Neither are midsizers. They're just not what's "in" right now. And it's possible they never will be "in style" again. The more taller vehicles we have on the road, the less people are going to feel comfortable buying "cars" with such a restricted view.

    Here in Florida, it's like mandatory to drive a truck jacked up to the clouds. I drive a car. I can't see a damn thing. My next vehicle will be an SUV as well - even though I really want the Continental. I'll probably end up in a Navigator of some sort.

    So I think somebody told the sales people they were going to be doing "much better" after the Continental was launched. They're not. But in reality - it's doing well. In the big picture...

    Yes, the Navigator will bring in more sales - probably more than the Continental... But it's an expensive vehicle so I really don't expect a plethora of sales.
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    Cadillac went after the younger crowd by introducing the "V" series. Maybe Lincoln should do the same. However, because of the shift to SUVs as a more practical vehicle maybe it is too late for sedans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pasadena Lady View Post
    Cadillac went after the younger crowd by introducing the "V" series. Maybe Lincoln should do the same. However, because of the shift to SUVs as a more practical vehicle maybe it is too late for sedans.
    That's a very good point. Cadillac did aim directly at the younger crowd with the V-Series - but cars aren't selling like they used to... I wonder if Lincoln should concentrate on Crossover SUVs with a twin turbo 400hp "option"...
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    Not just Lincoln. The Buick dealer in Leesburg FL is advertising new LeCrosse for more than $6000 Under MSRP. That 2017 LeCrosse is a nice car, but like the Continental, I've only seen two or three. My local Mt.Dora dealer has a lot full of them. (Sells a lot of GMC's though).

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    If it were not that I am a Ford/Lincoln guy, I may have gone with the G80. One hell of a nice car and better equipped compared to the Continental. Three (or four) engines available. The G90 is much more than I want or need. One thing I don't like about the Genesis is they seem to change their transmissions every couple of years. When they were using the ZF transmission, the transmission fluid cost about $70 a quart. Now they are on two or three transmissions since the ZF.

    Has anyone noticed how many Hyundai Sonatas on the road? Sure, it's a less expensive car, but you can pick up a Sonata Sport 2.0T Limited, loaded LOADED with more features than my Continental Select for less than 35K new. Made in the USA, unlike the Genesis made in Korea.

    Like I said, I'm a Ford/Lincoln guy.

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